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astronauts and stuff like that star

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prepare for the holidays though there

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was a fascinating story that came on the

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press and this is an example of how

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expectations are quite often not

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realized in news stories so consider

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this NASA is going to have a press

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conference about some new discovery that

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might give us clues to ET

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extraterrestrial life you know really

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exciting I mean they got first-class

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coverage on the 24/7 news networks now

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when you first heard about this

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announcement Chris what were you

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expecting what did you think it was

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going to be well I thought maybe

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something had landed on the Kremlin

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front lawn there by Red Square or maybe

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the White House they were gonna have

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some sort of mass descending object a

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huge sized land and and that the

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occupants gonna be taken to our leaders

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but no that turned out not to be the

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case gene it turned out that this was

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basically did big disappointment it

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wasn't quite what you expected it to be

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no I guess like with all these things it

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was just too good to be true okay so let

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me paint the picture here and I'm gonna

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use one cable network as an example

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doesn't matter which one because I think

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they were all the same they assemble

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some kind of expert from a science

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magazine or well-known scientists like

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Fox News had Michio Kaku

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and Moses CNN had Bill Nye the Science

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Guy and they were going to explain the

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impact of what all this means so you

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have the cameras focused on this great

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announcement they introduced this woman

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who's an astrobiologist she talks about

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this great discovery that they found

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evidence of possible life-forms with

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different chemical makeup so instead of

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phosphorus bizarre sonic now I did an

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editorial for the power cast newsletter

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called arsenic and et yeah I guess she

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did but to show you how important this

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was and how the network's were so

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thoroughly disappointed over what

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happened imagine this so what they do is

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they play about one minute of her

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announcement and they say oh it's just a

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bunch of chemicals who cares about that

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that has to be in the minds of the

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producers and directors of this cable

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networks they cut away so fast you can't

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believe how fast they cut away it was

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like you know yeah heavens to Murgatroid

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exit stage right exit stage left maybe

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they were using bad words and nasty

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words arsenic Oh My heavens is that all

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it was or as they say in that old song

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is that all there is my friend you know

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maybe we should it would be monumental

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if they found arsenic as a you know the

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base ingredient of life on this planet

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because as we all know we're a

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carbon-based you know planet here and

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arsenic as a basic component of life

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would be a big big deal I think the more

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important thing to consider also is as

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an alternative all that means is that

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life can take on a greater number of

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forms you don't have to look for life as

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we know it it may mean that what we know

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about life is so limited it can come in

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all sorts of forms so-called Goldilocks

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planets may only be a small

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cross-section of what might happen or

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where life might be found not just the

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planet but all sorts of planets that we

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would consider hostile to our form of

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life and I think of that segment in the

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movie contact was Jodie Foster and

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finally she's about to meet et and et

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masquerades as her dad because it's true

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form would be beyond her understanding

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no but that was a larger picture about

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UFOs if UFOs or et maybe again they're

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showing us something a projection

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whatever because we are not capable of

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understanding who they really are or

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what they really are you know you got to

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hand it to Sagan that was a real

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interesting and well thought-out plot

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twist the most important part of it

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though is he left it ambiguous or at

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least the movie was ambiguous you know I

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can't say so much about the book I

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didn't read the book I saw the movie and

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they left it in a way that perhaps maybe

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she dreamed this it may have been some

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kind of dream event it didn't have to be

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a physical contact with an alien being

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well it just kind of I think there's a

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moral to the story and that is if the

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government claims they have a huge earth

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shattering announcement bring your

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blocks of salt well if they're gonna do

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it they could have basically made this

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announcement without all this pomp and

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circumstance because what it means is

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that all your expectations of some

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significant development that affects

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everyone would be - now yeah if et is

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here and they admit that that's very

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important if they say well et may come

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in many forms okay but if we don't

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discover that form them the intelligent

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species using that chemical makeup it's

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just the first step in a long long

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journey you know that's true I still am

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wondering now where much from spores and

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mushrooms come from there unlike any

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other life form on the planet and of

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course mushroom spores have been found

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to be able to withstand the rigors of

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space you know radiation vacuum

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that sort of thing so you know I think

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there are other candidates on the planet

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that deserve I think more scientific

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inquiry and I think Terence Mckenna was

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the one who came up with the idea that

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perhaps so transfer Meah exists on the

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planet already in the form of mushroom

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spores of course he he was particularly

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fond of the psychoactive form of

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mushrooms but but you know it just kind

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of goes to show that you know there's a

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big universe out there and we really

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don't know that much and we can't assume

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anything so in seven movie about aliens

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call attack of the killer tomatoes it

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might be a movie called attack of the

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rotten mushrooms well the trippy the

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trippy shrooms okay well certainly now

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more and more science has to admit that

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life out there may just be more and more

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complicated than they expect but isn't

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that the way of all discoveries and what

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we learn you know it's like almost

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logarithmic we discover one fact which

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leads to a million more right you know

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that's the art of asking creative

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questions they tend to lead to more

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creative questions and in the end well

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you know if UFOs are et you know there's

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still a lot to learn a lot to discover

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but again we're still hearing the

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nonsense from the so called Exopolitics

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people you know I gather we're probably

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anticipating this would be it you know

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this would be the revelation but I think

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NASA would be a poor agency for that

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you'd want something higher up I don't

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in any case rather than focus on the

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possibilities of et today I gather we're

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going to focus Chris on ET way back when

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whether they came amongst us maybe

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they're still here tell us about our

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well Gary David I've known for a number

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of years now and I first became aware of

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him through his book called the Orion

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zone which is a a form of inquiry into

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ancient southwestern United States

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cultures that looks at it from a

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archeoastronomy point of view and what

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that all your main sacred sites villages

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and ceremonial areas in the southwest

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are mirroring the constellation Orion on

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the ground so if you look at a map of

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all these ancient Hopi sites popularly

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known as Anasazi which is just a made-up

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term by science

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these Hopi villages and sacred sites are

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arrayed in a perfect mirror image of the

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constellation Orion and we're going to

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because the implications could be could

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be thought-provoking the guess is Gary

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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

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in the para cast and we're gonna look at

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the ancients the star people and ancient

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prophecies now Gary I want to welcome

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you first to the power cast thanks for

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joining us Thank You gene good to be

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here okay so you have become fascinated

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by the American Southwest for what

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twenty three years or so now so why did

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this interest arise how did it focus on

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the things that we're going to talk

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about okay I've lived in Arizona for

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about 15 years in northern Arizona and

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before that time I lived in South Dakota

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and I taught on the Pine Ridge

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Reservation and witnessed some of the

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ceremonies there and and this especially

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the Sundance and and did some sweat

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lodges there and got involved with the

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Lakota Sioux in South Dakota and I met

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with a woman named Charlotte Black Elk

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and she was the great-granddaughter of

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the famous Nicholas Black Elk that wrote

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the classic Black Elk speaks and you

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know at that time she was talking about

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how constellations in the sky and they

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they relate on the earth to certain

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points on in them especially in the

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Black Hills which is the center of

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Lakota Sioux spirituality and she was

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talking about a huge constellation made

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up of Orion's belt and the Pleiades and

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the Sirius

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and this was a celestial buffalo that

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was projected on various points on the

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earth and celestial buffalo what do you

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mean by that the the buffalo of course

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is very important to the Lakota Sioux it

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was the mainstay of their diet and it

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was a basically part of their Godhead

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there was a spiritual being that

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sacrificed itself for the for the for

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the people and they wanted to you know

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they saw a huge Buffalo in the sky you

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know that the backbone of this Buffalo

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was Orion's belt the nose of the Buffalo

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were the Pleiades in nature' us and the

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tail of the Buffalo was serious in Canis

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Major so this huge huge celestial

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Buffalo that related to certain points

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on the earth that they made migrations

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to during the course of the year and

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they made this huge circular migration

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of route around the Black Hills going to

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these specific places on the earth doing

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certain ceremonies like the Sun day and

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set specific places at specific times so

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their their whole cosmology was

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connected you know that that idea of as

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above so below that for many God dictum

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that Trismegistus Hermes was said to you

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know speak many thousands of years ago

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in the Egypt they had that same sort of

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idea that the the celestial was directly

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influencing events on earth in the

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places on the earth so this this was the

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first inkling that I had of this kind of

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astronomy and

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kind of a spiritual connection to the

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stars and the star people that came to

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earth so you know it's a totally

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different way of looking at the heavens

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and this was the first that I had

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thought about this and I came down to

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north northern Arizona and I settled

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here and I started going to some Kachina

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dances up on the Hopi reservation I had

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you know I was driving along i-40 going

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up up towards the three Hopi mesas where

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the the Hopi he still live and I was I

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was gazing off to the to the northeast

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and considering these three mesas and I

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had just read the book by Robert Bauval

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called the Orion mystery and probably

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your listeners will be familiar with

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this book it's the major premise of the

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book is that the three pyramids on the

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Giza Plateau correspond to the belt

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stars of Orion so in ancient times they

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were looking to astronomical evidence to

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develop these things to build these

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great archaeological creations you know

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they they they wanted the sky the earth

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to mirror the sky because they saw you

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know they saw God it's in the heavens

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Osiris was kunia the god of the

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underworld was connected with the

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constellation Orion and they wanted to

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honor this God by placing these pyramids

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in this particular pattern the smallest

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pyramid is sort of offset of the one

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when you look at Orion

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and so on the right side and it's kind

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of offset from the other two and this

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was a deliberate an attempt to make the

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earth and the sky match and you know I

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was driving up to the Hopi mesas and I

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realize that you know the Hopi live on

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three primary mesas

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live there since about 1100 AD or maybe

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a little bit before that building these

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pueblos on top of and at the base of the

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mesas and I was wondering if this might

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might be another Orion correlation like

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the one in Egypt and I sort of put that

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in the back of my mind and went up to

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the Hopi mesas and saw I danced there

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one of the villages and then I came back

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and I got out my sky charts and I got

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out the map and looked at the the

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ancient villages that the the hope he

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had made and the villages they were are

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currently living in and found out that

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there was a village or ancient ruin

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corresponding to each major star in the

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constellation Orion and this this really

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are astounded me it's just amazing that

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there'd be this direct Sky Earth's

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correlation and they somehow built a

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kind of a template and spread it across

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the Arizona desert in the form of the

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constellation Orion okay so one looks

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for cause okay

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is it because they're just emulating

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what they see in the skies in the

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heavens or because there's a larger

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picture that's being considered here

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well I think it's my understanding that

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Oh Ryan is the most important

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constellation for the Hopi it

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synchronizes their winter solstice

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ceremony day the Hopi have these

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ceremonies in in Kiva's which are

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underground about prayer chambers they

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descend into the earth and they do their

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ceremonies down there but there's a

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hatchway overhead from which you can see

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the sky and when Orion comes into view

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in this hatchway that's a signal to

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start the winter solstice ceremony so

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the stars and and the the Sun are

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connected in that way so they're showing

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basically seasonal changes we'll get

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into more of this in a moment

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our guest is Gary David we're talking

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about the ancients the prophets

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star people's prophecies all that stuff

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because Chris O'Brien I'm Jean Steinberg

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you're in the para cast Ray Perkins a

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do it till he gets it right but he tells

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me the same thing he says gene you've

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figure out how to turn it from a

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reason that he tolerates me is because

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he's about 130 miles or 150 miles away

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and he can't just come over and beat me

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up or something like that so right yeah

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something like that

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I think the three of us now are arranged

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in a Ryan configuration gracious over

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the hill in Prescott and we are talking

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with Gary David the focus prophecy start

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people all sorts of great stuff and

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Chris O'Brien pursue this place Gary I'm

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really thoroughly enjoying your latest

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book that just came out the Kiva's of

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heaven you were starting to describe the

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importance of the Kiva in the people's

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everyday and seasonal beliefs and and

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the way that they actually use the

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position of stars and the position of

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the Sun to dictate very important

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aspects of their of their life when they

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plant when they when they when they go

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ahead and harvest and when they do their

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particular ceremonial dances they're

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they're Kachina dances why don't you

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continue with your description of the

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importance of the Kiva and how this has

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really given you some clues on how to

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proceed with your work oh yeah thanks

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Chris yeah in the Western civilization

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we tend to build spires the piercing the

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sky and going upward but the the hoping

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other Pueblo people they

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downward into the earth as a source of

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spirituality and they built these well

612
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the first cavas were actually round you

613
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can see these at the places like about

614
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Chaco Canyon in Mexico they built a lot

615
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,220
of key was there

616
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the Hopi later on started to use

617
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rectangular Kiva's but the the function

618
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:45,960
is basically the same and it has certain

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element all the Kiva's have certain

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elements for instance there's an

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overhead hatch way that I mentioned

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before that and you you crawl down into

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the Kiva through a ladder and you uh

624
00:30:07,660 --> 00:30:05,000
there are like a fire pit in the middle

625
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and there's a kind of a wind

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ventilation shaft for wind to field to

627
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feed this fire pit and then there's

628
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what's the called a Sipapu it's a little

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hole in the floor and it it's kind of

630
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symbolic of a link to thee to the

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underworld and it's I I conceptualize it

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as kind of a Native American subway

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system in a kind of a spiritual subway

634
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system that you go down through this say

635
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pop whoo and every Kiva has one and you

636
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:42,570
go down into the underworld through this

637
00:30:46,790 --> 00:30:44,850
this this hole it's kind of like a

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wormhole that links you to the onion

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world this is really important this is

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important to them too because in the

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southwestern tradition of the public

642
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:56,580
people's the idea of the Sipapu or the

643
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place of emergence is is extremely

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important this is where the natives are

645
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led underground just before the earth is

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going to cleanse itself and they're

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protected underground while this process

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is occurring and then Creator allows

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them to reach back into this world so

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that is your direct link between the the

651
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modern version of the Sipapu and how how

652
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:21,390
it symbolically is extremely important

653
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for the survival of the people I guess

654
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that was a question

655
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the you know there's an actual

656
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geological formation in in the Grand

657
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Canyon and it's called the Sipapu or

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00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:43,290
Sipapu knee it's actually a travertine

659
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:46,650
dome it's all terrible I'm still in

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formation it's probably you know

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probably 75 feet in diameter and there's

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a hole right in the center of it and

663
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,930
they said that the Hopi emerged from

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this this particular spot it's located

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on the the north bank of the Little

666
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Colorado River just before it flows into

667
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the the Colorado River in the Grand

668
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Canyon and it's said that the Hopi

669
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emerged from this hole from what they

670
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call the third world

671
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:25,860
that's the previous era or a world that

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they lived in and they came up through

673
00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:32,730
this hole and they crawled out of the

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Grand Canyon and began to populate the

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Colorado Plateau so this is an actual

676
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:41,670
you know place that you can even see it

677
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:46,610
on on Google Earth it's it's clearly

678
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:51,030
visible you can see this this dome with

679
00:32:58,390 --> 00:32:55,530
a hole in the center of it and the Hopi

680
00:33:03,620 --> 00:32:58,400
I used to make pilgrimages to this place

681
00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:03,630
to gather ritual salt and in fact it

682
00:33:09,140 --> 00:33:05,670
could they call Grand Canyon Salt Canyon

683
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:09,150
rather than Grand Canyon but this this

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00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:12,210
is you know this is symbolized in the in

685
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:15,570
the Kiva itself this this link to the

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underworld the the prior existence that

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the people had and it's interesting to

688
00:33:27,050 --> 00:33:24,600
note that the Hopi consider you know

689
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:27,060
after death they go back to this

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00:33:34,910 --> 00:33:31,320
subterranean place this this underworld

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00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:34,920
to live in existence there and in some

692
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:38,040
cases they they they come out of the the

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00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:40,730
underworld and form clouds and

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00:33:47,419 --> 00:33:44,399
this cloud spirits I would I guess you'd

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call it and they they come back to the

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00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:49,740
the Hopi mesas to bring rain to the

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00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:52,289
people but you know it's it's a just an

698
00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:55,049
amazing cosmology that's totally

699
00:33:59,659 --> 00:33:57,630
different than the way a Western

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00:34:01,340 --> 00:33:59,669
civilization looks looks at the world

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00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:01,350
it's it's amazing

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the sky earth underworld this tripartite

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construction of the cosmos you know I

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00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:13,379
wanted to look area perhaps and

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00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:15,300
inspirations here sources of inspiration

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00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,210
so what is it that you think might have

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00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:20,460
inspired these concepts just observing

709
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:22,889
the skies and pondering what it all

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means or something more direct well I

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mentioned the the template on the on the

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Arizona desert that that mirrors the

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constellation Orion and there's a God

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Naima saw it said the god of the

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underworld

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he's also that you know the god of the

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earth and the god of fire some hope you

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don't like to talk about Messiah because

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it's a rather spooky looking character

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you know he has a large large round eyes

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and a round mouth and his head is very

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large and bulbous kind of you know it's

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in his bald and it resembled the texture

724
00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:13,050
resembles a summer squash kind of kind

725
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:16,230
of bumpy and his feet are very long and

726
00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:19,830
this is forearms are long and and his

727
00:35:25,609 --> 00:35:23,099
body is gray and he's connected with the

728
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,619
deaths the underworld and very kind of

729
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,359
frightening thing so that's why some

730
00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:29,820
hope he won't even I talked about masala

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at all the word Moscow the root of the

732
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word is moss which literally means Bray

733
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and if you look at you know artists

734
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:41,520
renditions of this one the word mosque

735
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:45,960
means gray no mas mas o mas I was saying

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ma why is he talking on

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I'll tell you what I have a lot to learn

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about the prophecies in ancient history

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as we know you know I am a professor of

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you never know what's going to happen

874
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next we return Chris O'Brien as the

875
00:41:27,299 --> 00:41:24,999
co-host Gary Davis the guests the

876
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:27,309
ancients are under discussion I'm gene

877
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:29,049
Steinberg you're in the power cast and

878
00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:31,690
now Chris will probe further into what

879
00:41:36,449 --> 00:41:34,420
all of this might mean okay I'd find the

880
00:41:39,089 --> 00:41:36,459
descriptions of my cell very very

881
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:39,099
interesting you're describing what many

882
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:43,599
people would kind of equate to a taller

883
00:41:50,699 --> 00:41:46,390
skinnier kind of uglier version of your

884
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:50,709
almost typical gray alien type although

885
00:41:55,469 --> 00:41:52,930
Messiah I think is much taller in

886
00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:55,479
depictions that I've seen why don't you

887
00:41:59,729 --> 00:41:57,400
continue talking about Messiah and how

888
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,739
he looks and and what your thoughts are

889
00:42:03,329 --> 00:42:02,079
on this book potential correlation well

890
00:42:05,969 --> 00:42:03,339
that's that's the first thought that I

891
00:42:10,229 --> 00:42:05,979
had when I saw you know a the artist

892
00:42:13,289 --> 00:42:10,239
rendition of this is God and you know

893
00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:13,299
it's it's it's pretty striking the you

894
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:15,400
know that the fact that that his name

895
00:42:23,219 --> 00:42:19,680
would mean gray you know in in Hopi

896
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:23,229
actually you know kind of a deathlike

897
00:42:29,959 --> 00:42:26,650
pallor I guess I hope he wanted to

898
00:42:33,709 --> 00:42:29,969
describe him like and but you know

899
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:33,719
Messiah has some positive things to

900
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:38,249
amasau taught the Hopi how to plant corn

901
00:42:47,249 --> 00:42:44,529
and live a very simple life using dry

902
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:47,259
farming with without irrigation for the

903
00:42:54,779 --> 00:42:52,089
most part so Messiah had some some good

904
00:42:59,099 --> 00:42:54,789
points not just he's not just a

905
00:43:01,019 --> 00:42:59,109
threatening God and a messiah was there

906
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:01,029
at the beginning when they set off on

907
00:43:06,449 --> 00:43:03,369
their migrations at the beginning of the

908
00:43:08,729 --> 00:43:06,459
fourth world one that you when the hopi

909
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:08,739
crawled up from the Sipapu out of the

910
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:12,780
Grand Canyon across the Colorado Plateau

911
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:16,260
and started to migrate and that's and

912
00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:19,710
they started to build villages across

913
00:43:28,089 --> 00:43:23,579
across Arizona and across the southwest

914
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:28,099
and Messiah supposedly accompanied them

915
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:33,210
in these very early migrations and he

916
00:43:39,319 --> 00:43:36,450
possibly even told them where to build a

917
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:39,329
particular village instructed them how

918
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:43,530
to you know where to build a boy blow

919
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,089
you know Pablo is a kind of like a an

920
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:51,180
apartment building man I'm stone one of

921
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:55,050
the first apartment buildings in fact in

922
00:44:02,990 --> 00:43:58,440
in Chaco Canyon one of the main ancient

923
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,000
Pueblo sites Pueblo Bonito was the

924
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:05,460
largest structure you know structure in

925
00:44:13,819 --> 00:44:10,079
the world until around until the 1880s

926
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:13,829
when the New York had an apartment

927
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:15,930
complex that they built there in the

928
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:18,630
1880s in New York so how large are we

929
00:44:27,859 --> 00:44:24,300
talking about here it was a massive kind

930
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:27,869
of structure and there are a number of

931
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:30,960
these pueblos in this you know in this

932
00:44:37,339 --> 00:44:34,710
Canyon and they started going in Chaco

933
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:37,349
Canyon the the culture really started to

934
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:39,770
get going and around the 10th century

935
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:43,500
and it's if you've ever been to northern

936
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:45,810
New Mexico you know how dry and barren

937
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:49,470
it is there are no uh no rivers nearby I

938
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,380
mean they they built this this place

939
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,680
seemingly in the middle of nowhere as we

940
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,560
as we like to say it's definitely in the

941
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,680
middle of nowhere today you have to go

942
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:04,319
down you know a dirt road to get to the

943
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:07,170
park it's a national park and once you

944
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:09,180
get to the park there are page roads but

945
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:11,339
you have to go down these pretty rough

946
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:15,060
roads that get washed out frequently and

947
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:16,859
it's about 20 miles down these dirt

948
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:20,400
roads to get to this this this site and

949
00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:22,440
but you know there like I say there are

950
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,070
a number of huge web blows

951
00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:27,440
that were built in this particular

952
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:30,740
Canyon and you know it's my

953
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:33,890
understanding that our my belief perhaps

954
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,140
that the Messiah will kind of instructed

955
00:45:41,230 --> 00:45:39,200
them to build here because in the

956
00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:41,240
template that you know I've discovered

957
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:44,840
in the course of a dozen years or so of

958
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:47,030
researching this I found that Chaco

959
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:51,830
Canyon corresponds the star Sirius wow

960
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:53,570
that's that's pretty that's pretty

961
00:45:59,110 --> 00:45:56,930
important now looking at the map of the

962
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:59,120
area of the Southwest and then

963
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:02,240
overlaying the actual locations of the

964
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:04,010
villages it almost appears to me that

965
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,260
the only way that you could do that and

966
00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:08,960
do it to the degree of accuracy that we

967
00:46:14,830 --> 00:46:11,900
see is if you were actually up in space

968
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,840
viewing the earth from high above do you

969
00:46:20,020 --> 00:46:16,640
think that there's a possibility of some

970
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:20,030
sort of et influence in the actual or

971
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:23,090
some sort of aerial perspective that may

972
00:46:27,070 --> 00:46:25,130
have helped the Indians place these

973
00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:27,080
important sites where they are today you

974
00:46:32,410 --> 00:46:29,990
know I definitely think that you had to

975
00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:32,420
be up above the earth in order to get a

976
00:46:38,350 --> 00:46:35,600
sense of this this whole this whole

977
00:46:39,970 --> 00:46:38,360
pattern on the Arizona desert that forms

978
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:39,980
the constellation Orion

979
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:42,890
and I hope they have a lot of legends

980
00:46:51,310 --> 00:46:46,190
about what they call pas to Votto or

981
00:46:54,580 --> 00:46:51,320
flying shields and these Kachinas which

982
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:54,590
some of your listeners might be familiar

983
00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:56,930
with the Kachina dolls and I hope you

984
00:47:04,210 --> 00:46:58,730
still have Kachina dances these are

985
00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:04,220
these are spirit beings that are you

986
00:47:09,610 --> 00:47:07,340
know come in many different forms if you

987
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:09,620
go to a Kachina dance you'll see a lot

988
00:47:16,270 --> 00:47:12,770
of different weird masks you know

989
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:16,280
cylindrical circular there's a lot of

990
00:47:21,580 --> 00:47:18,110
feathers and some of these creatures

991
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:21,590
have bug eyes and and some some have

992
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:25,640
slits and that look like in the almost

993
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:27,650
like helmets

994
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:31,160
that are worn by him by aliens you know

995
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:35,880
but these Kachina dancers they perform

996
00:47:42,289 --> 00:47:39,470
these dances in the springtime and

997
00:47:45,769 --> 00:47:42,299
starting about April late April going

998
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:45,779
through past the summer solstice into

999
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:49,619
July and then then they stop having the

1000
00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:53,700
dances but these these beings that there

1001
00:48:03,559 --> 00:47:58,950
are commemorating supposedly in legends

1002
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:03,569
that the Hopi said that they they

1003
00:48:10,009 --> 00:48:07,470
piloted these flying shields and they

1004
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:10,019
frequently came down to the maysa and

1005
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:14,130
some of these some of these creatures

1006
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:18,660
even took hopi brides and made it made

1007
00:48:24,859 --> 00:48:22,230
it with the women and much like you know

1008
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,869
in the Bible you have the washers coming

1009
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:27,359
down from the sky where I'm finding the

1010
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:29,970
daughters of man fair that's the sons of

1011
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:32,730
God mating with the daughters of men to

1012
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,359
produce these Nephilim or these giants

1013
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:39,180
in the earth and this is essentially you

1014
00:48:42,799 --> 00:48:41,910
know what was going on in the American

1015
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:42,809
Southwest

1016
00:48:49,789 --> 00:48:46,980
you had these Kachinas coming down they

1017
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,799
say that the Kachinas used to come in

1018
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:51,839
the flesh they used to be physical

1019
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:55,529
beings but now they only come in spirit

1020
00:49:01,160 --> 00:48:58,650
because we've the society has been

1021
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:01,170
corrupted and the world is basically

1022
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:03,930
going to hell so basically these beings

1023
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:05,910
are no longer around and we see just

1024
00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:10,529
visions of them we see we see they come

1025
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:12,390
in the in the spirit form rather than

1026
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:15,480
you know a physical manifestation so

1027
00:49:19,940 --> 00:49:17,369
that's saying that therefore in ancient

1028
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:19,950
times they met up with these physical

1029
00:49:27,289 --> 00:49:22,440
creatures yes that came down on these

1030
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:27,299
craft and there's there's a story that's

1031
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:32,400
really touching there's a pair of twins

1032
00:49:37,770 --> 00:49:35,940
a girl and a boy and they were escaping

1033
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:37,780
a great flood

1034
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:42,720
and that sounds familiar too but they

1035
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:46,240
they had to leave their village and the

1036
00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:48,460
parents in this in the commotion they

1037
00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:53,140
they left them behind so the the boy and

1038
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:55,270
the girl started off on a journey to

1039
00:50:00,090 --> 00:49:57,970
find the parents and the first night

1040
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:00,100
they camped out in the desert and they

1041
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:04,090
saw this huge flying shield come down

1042
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:07,420
and sat down on the desert and this

1043
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:11,950
creature came out of it and this

1044
00:50:19,710 --> 00:50:15,520
creature is described as having a face

1045
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:19,720
that that's shone like a star and the

1046
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:22,870
creature supposedly had clothing that

1047
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:24,790
let me interrupt you for a second Gary

1048
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:27,430
shone like a star are we saying it

1049
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,170
glowed yeah you know emitted some sort

1050
00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:34,480
of light the face emitted some sort of

1051
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:37,120
light maybe you know kind of like a

1052
00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:40,270
spiritual being or a space helmet or a

1053
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:42,220
space helmet yeah if you want to take

1054
00:50:46,290 --> 00:50:44,530
that you know there's you can have this

1055
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:46,300
go back and forth and whether they were

1056
00:50:51,150 --> 00:50:49,090
physical or whether they were spiritual

1057
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:51,160
you know and that's a constant debate

1058
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:54,910
even among a UFO ufologist today you

1059
00:50:58,740 --> 00:50:56,050
know whether we're dealing with

1060
00:51:01,470 --> 00:50:58,750
interdimensional beings or actual

1061
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:01,480
physical spacecrafts but you know this

1062
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:04,150
creature had you know clothing that that

1063
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,690
it described as looking like icicles and

1064
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:10,000
a reminder if you want to tell us what

1065
00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:11,530
you think about us about the show about

1066
00:51:16,170 --> 00:51:14,350
the guests and maybe to suggest some

1067
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:16,180
guests for the future we do welcome your

1068
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:18,910
email we don't consider it spam we want

1069
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:21,160
to hear from you the address is news at

1070
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,610
the power cast com that's news at the

1071
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,040
power cast come we can't promise we'll

1072
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:29,200
answer all the letters but I assure you

1073
00:51:33,870 --> 00:51:31,930
we read everything I'll tell you what

1074
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:33,880
let's talk about the clothing and let's

1075
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:36,370
talk about this vision or experience

1076
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:37,510
more detail in a moment

1077
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:39,910
Gary David joins us the co-host is Chris

1078
00:51:46,850 --> 00:51:42,910
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

1079
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led back at interest

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forcing taxes to service debt this

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capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

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stating a central bank issuing the

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public currency is a greater menace to

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the liberties of the people than a

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standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

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free silver dollar in a book that

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explains our monetary system call for

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your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

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understand the system call 866 to 237

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that's 800 686 to 237

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welcome back to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jean Steinberg our two of the

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00:53:12,429 --> 00:53:09,469
para cast with Gary David exploring

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00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:12,439
ancient legends and mysteries Chris

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00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:14,209
O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean Steinberg

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00:53:18,249 --> 00:53:15,529
you're in the power cast so we're

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00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:18,259
talking about the uniform or garb these

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00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:21,170
creatures wore let's go back to that

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00:53:25,989 --> 00:53:23,390
description yeah this is kind of like a

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00:53:27,549 --> 00:53:25,999
metaphor I guess or you know the the

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00:53:31,269 --> 00:53:27,559
clothing looked like icicles

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00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:31,279
and to to a a primitive people who never

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00:53:38,140 --> 00:53:34,430
saw metallic you know objects or stuff

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00:53:40,509 --> 00:53:38,150
they would describe a metallic uniform

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00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:40,519
as looking like icicles you know

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glistening and glinting in the Sun white

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00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:45,920
like icicles wood sounds like the

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00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:49,249
creatures that George Adamski saw it's

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00:53:53,739 --> 00:53:50,890
silvery uniforms

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00:53:56,499 --> 00:53:53,749
it's Michael Raney from Day the Earth

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Stood Still landed in ancient times I'm

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00:54:02,949 --> 00:53:58,999
seeing silly but listen to the concept

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you know it's totally unbelievable you

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00:54:08,589 --> 00:54:05,719
know that Native Americans would

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00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:08,599
describe you know uniforms like that

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00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:11,420
silver uniforms as glistening like

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00:54:17,279 --> 00:54:15,529
icicles and this creature took these

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00:54:20,949 --> 00:54:17,289
children up into the sky

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00:54:22,929 --> 00:54:20,959
in the flying shield and they look down

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00:54:25,089 --> 00:54:22,939
across the earth and they saw the

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00:54:27,969 --> 00:54:25,099
village that their parents had escaped

1141
00:54:30,509 --> 00:54:27,979
to and the creature you know was a

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00:54:34,809 --> 00:54:30,519
benevolent creature he gave the children

1143
00:54:37,179 --> 00:54:34,819
melon to eat in corn and the finally the

1144
00:54:38,799 --> 00:54:37,189
the saucer or craft sat down right next

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00:54:41,709 --> 00:54:38,809
to the village where the parents had

1146
00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:41,719
been and the children got out of the

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00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:44,420
craft and were reunited with the parents

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00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:46,910
so you know this is a one instance that

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00:54:56,109 --> 00:54:52,160
a sky god came down and helped help

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00:54:59,019 --> 00:54:56,119
these two Chile's twins escape Terral

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you know that's the legend say that this

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00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:01,519
star god or whoever he or it was

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00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:04,470
communicated with them and somehow yeah

1154
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:07,890
this star God said that that he would

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00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:11,730
come later on in their dreams to to give

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00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:15,150
them information and to give them ways

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to live correctly to live by the ways of

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00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:24,930
the Creator so there we have any sort of

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00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:27,390
time frame on this do we have any idea

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00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,450
how soon after the emergence that this

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00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:32,400
this occurred was it fairly early on or

1162
00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:34,430
is this something that's more recent

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00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:37,320
well this this must have been very early

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00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:41,970
but there again the Hopi are from my

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00:55:45,830 --> 00:55:44,099
understanding are never really specific

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about about dates

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unlike the Maya which are very precise

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00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:51,750
about you know getting specific dates

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00:55:56,420 --> 00:55:53,820
that the Hopi just say you know it was

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00:55:59,060 --> 00:55:56,430
long long ago or you know in ancient

1171
00:56:01,130 --> 00:55:59,070
times or their their whole their whole

1172
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:01,140
idea of time is sort of different than

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00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:03,930
the way we conceive of it anyway so well

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it's actually highly unique I think

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00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:07,560
they're one of the only cultures that

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really have no future or past tense in

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00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:12,570
their language everything is pretty much

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an eternal now it's like you're right

1179
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,570
it's in the present but there's also

1180
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:21,119
kind of a mythic time that's that gets

1181
00:56:27,950 --> 00:56:24,150
recirculated in - you know it's a whole

1182
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:27,960
cosmology that deals with the corn stalk

1183
00:56:32,359 --> 00:56:30,570
and the the vertical axis of the corn

1184
00:56:35,810 --> 00:56:32,369
stalk and how this is kind of like an

1185
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:35,820
axis mundi and time is recycled into

1186
00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:38,970
this this axis when it you know it comes

1187
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:41,369
into being and then it's recycled you

1188
00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:43,380
know I have a picture in my book the

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00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:46,950
keys of heaven that kind of a model of

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00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:49,680
the way that Benjamin Whorf a linguist

1191
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:51,660
who studied the Hopi in the in the 30s

1192
00:56:57,859 --> 00:56:55,500
ugly he he own came up with the way that

1193
00:57:02,599 --> 00:56:57,869
the Hopi conceptualized the universe and

1194
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:02,609
I've tried to present a graphic that

1195
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:05,609
would show what was happening when two

1196
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:07,800
new time comes into being and then it

1197
00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:10,740
gets recirculated into this you know

1198
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:13,950
this this source of everything which is

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00:57:18,660 --> 00:57:16,590
represented by the cornstalk

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00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:18,670
you know one thing that I want to point

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out at this point too is in the last few

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00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:24,369
years I've become more and more involved

1203
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:27,820
in researching the the Zuni culture

1204
00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:30,010
which you can almost equate as being the

1205
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:31,960
hokies little brothers and we had

1206
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:33,700
clifford mahooty who was an elder of the

1207
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:37,030
Zuni tribe on the program and he

1208
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:39,850
mentioned that there were some uncanny

1209
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:42,520
parallels between Zuni belief system and

1210
00:57:47,609 --> 00:57:44,890
how it's very very very similar if not

1211
00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:47,619
exact in some sense to the Hopi version

1212
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:49,390
so you know we're dealing with the two

1213
00:57:54,570 --> 00:57:51,369
primordial cultures in North America I

1214
00:57:56,609 --> 00:57:54,580
think when you discuss the cosmology of

1215
00:57:59,250 --> 00:57:56,619
the Hopi and Zuni well why don't you can

1216
00:58:01,020 --> 00:57:59,260
yo go ahead agree yeah I was gonna say

1217
00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:01,030
that the Hopi and Zuni they have

1218
00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:03,190
different languages of course but you

1219
00:58:10,349 --> 00:58:05,470
know that they have similar ceremonies

1220
00:58:13,470 --> 00:58:10,359
like the the Hopi have a Shalako Kachina

1221
00:58:17,540 --> 00:58:13,480
and it's this very tall Kachina just

1222
00:58:21,210 --> 00:58:17,550
like the Zuni have a Shalako the Shalako

1223
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:21,220
ritual in December and I have these tall

1224
00:58:26,580 --> 00:58:24,880
beings that go through the plaza and you

1225
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:26,590
know there's a lot of similarities

1226
00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:28,270
between Hopi and Zuni because they're

1227
00:58:34,830 --> 00:58:31,720
not they're not not separated by very

1228
00:58:37,950 --> 00:58:34,840
very much distance so they're they had a

1229
00:58:40,650 --> 00:58:37,960
lot of interaction I'm sure in in early

1230
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:40,660
times well this kind of reminds me of

1231
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:42,910
some stories that I've heard over the

1232
00:58:47,609 --> 00:58:45,520
past five or six years that concerned

1233
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:47,619
the arrival of flying shields on to the

1234
00:58:52,830 --> 00:58:51,010
reservation most specifically in the I

1235
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:52,840
guess would be the northwest corner of

1236
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:55,930
the Hopi reservation and also just over

1237
00:59:01,170 --> 00:58:57,730
the border into the Navajo reservation

1238
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,180
where we're you know remote hogan's or

1239
00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:03,760
remote dwellings would be visited by

1240
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:06,220
these these strange beings coming down

1241
00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:08,910
from the sky and Tom dango who's a

1242
00:59:13,950 --> 00:59:11,500
investigator a local investigator here

1243
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:13,960
in the Sedona area has interviewed

1244
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:15,970
extensively some of these witnesses to

1245
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:19,359
these events and it seems to me based on

1246
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:21,010
these descriptions that we're seeing

1247
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:23,140
some sort of recent ramping up of

1248
00:59:28,980 --> 00:59:24,700
activity

1249
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:28,990
of course it's very difficult to to go

1250
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:30,910
on the res and start asking questions

1251
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,490
the nosy white boy in a black cowboy hat

1252
00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:35,920
doesn't quite get very far but have you

1253
00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:38,500
heard any any sort of rumblings about a

1254
00:59:43,099 --> 00:59:41,020
heightened sense of activity and

1255
00:59:47,609 --> 00:59:43,109
possibly expectation on the reservation

1256
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:47,619
well you know back in the 70 in in 1970

1257
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:51,119
in fact there was kind of a rash of UFO

1258
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:53,890
sightings around the town of Prescott

1259
01:00:00,240 --> 00:59:57,970
Arizona and you know hundreds of these

1260
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:00,250
sightings were seen and some of the hope

1261
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,650
ease even came out to the from the

1262
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:05,040
reservation to the town of Prescott and

1263
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:09,690
witnessed these things and there's a

1264
01:00:15,540 --> 01:00:12,490
geological formation in the Prescott

1265
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:15,550
area known as Thumb Butte and thumb view

1266
01:00:20,609 --> 01:00:18,790
looks like The Devil's Tower that's

1267
01:00:23,310 --> 01:00:20,619
depicted in Close Encounters of the

1268
01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:23,320
Third Kind that seemed kind of a black

1269
01:00:27,810 --> 01:00:25,150
hole if that comes out of the earth and

1270
01:00:31,859 --> 01:00:27,820
you know this was kind of a magnet for

1271
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:31,869
UFOs during that time but yes you know

1272
01:00:39,809 --> 01:00:35,440
I've heard that people are seeing more

1273
01:00:42,270 --> 01:00:39,819
and more sightings in recent times on

1274
01:00:45,569 --> 01:00:42,280
the reservation around the I read

1275
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:45,579
recently an article in the in the Navajo

1276
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:48,119
Hopi Observer a behind in fact about

1277
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:50,890
this sighting in the around loop there

1278
01:00:57,630 --> 01:00:54,400
loop Arizona like Indian Wells loop yeah

1279
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:57,640
right yeah there was an there this craft

1280
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:01,119
was one woman said it was like as big as

1281
01:01:06,059 --> 01:01:03,609
the school gymnasium you know this craft

1282
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:06,069
that hovered for you know over an hour

1283
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:09,450
in this area and you know and they

1284
01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:13,450
multiple witnesses we're seeing this so

1285
01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:16,030
you know I think a lot of the elders

1286
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:17,950
would say that this is kind of a sign

1287
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:22,240
that the Fourth World is coming to an

1288
01:01:27,630 --> 01:01:24,390
end when when you see these constant

1289
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:27,640
visitation by these leads of spirit

1290
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:30,730
spirit beings or perhaps physical

1291
01:01:35,730 --> 01:01:34,150
physical craft this is a sign that you

1292
01:01:37,450 --> 01:01:35,740
know we're getting close to the end of

1293
01:01:39,460 --> 01:01:37,460
the fourth world

1294
01:01:42,579 --> 01:01:39,470
so if I'm doing a tour up to the Grand

1295
01:01:47,250 --> 01:01:42,589
Canyon and I see on the cliffs above the

1296
01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:47,260
Sipapu a bunch of RVs and teepees and

1297
01:01:52,839 --> 01:01:50,630
tents and stuff it's time to maybe get

1298
01:01:54,099 --> 01:01:52,849
my affairs in order and start heading to

1299
01:01:57,069 --> 01:01:54,109
the Sipapu huh

1300
01:02:00,339 --> 01:01:57,079
well that's you know that's the safe

1301
01:02:03,339 --> 01:02:00,349
area you know if you leave the cities

1302
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:03,349
and go up to the Hopi land and this is

1303
01:02:07,420 --> 01:02:05,690
the place it's going to be spared if if

1304
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:07,430
anything you know between the Grand

1305
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:13,369
Canyon and the Hopi mesas this area it

1306
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:14,720
might come to that

1307
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:16,970
you know when the cities collapse and we

1308
01:02:24,190 --> 01:02:20,930
were out of oil and a lot of gas and out

1309
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:24,200
of food hope you live a very simple life

1310
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:27,170
are the least they try to it was getting

1311
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:29,690
increasingly more difficult to live in

1312
01:02:34,930 --> 01:02:32,210
the old ways using the dry farming

1313
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,940
method and growing corn and so forth we

1314
01:02:38,770 --> 01:02:36,559
kind of changed that in our modern

1315
01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:38,780
civilization Gary David's the guest

1316
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:41,000
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene

1317
01:02:46,570 --> 01:02:50,510
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1334
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1335
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as many people know ever since President

1336
01:03:55,690 --> 01:03:53,690
Nixon took us off the gold standard

1337
01:03:57,370 --> 01:03:55,700
the US dollar has been evaluating what

1338
01:03:59,079 --> 01:03:57,380
people don't know however is how this

1339
01:04:00,609 --> 01:03:59,089
directly affects your personal finances

1340
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:00,619
is there a way to protect your

1341
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,690
portfolios from losing value the answer

1342
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:04,400
to all of this is gold and silver they

1343
01:04:08,190 --> 01:04:05,930
both have maintained their purchasing

1344
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,200
power for 6,000 years if you had

1345
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:11,119
$100,000 in cash and $100,000 in gold

1346
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cast a couple of things occur to me when

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you talk about all these legends hope is

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Unni Indians etc now the zuni's they

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transfer data stories verbally or

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basically somebody tells somebody who

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tells somebody does I hope we do the

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same thing you know the Hopi are didn't

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have a written language and most of the

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Pueblo people didn't well all of the

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Pueblo people didn't have anything

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written unlike the Maya in Central

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America and Mexico so it's it's all kind

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of legends passed down through the

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generations but they do have you know

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rock art or petroglyphs rock carvings

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and rock paintings that you can go to

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and see some of these you know I've seen

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pictures of what are called and people

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that they've been in the media recently

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I noticed that the other people are

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talking about the ant people and I've

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seen petroglyphs of these rock carvings

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of these right here in Arizona why don't

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you give us an idea of who the ant

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people are in their tradition that's

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pretty important I think people

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01:09:01,570 --> 01:08:56,780
supposedly were helped the Hopi survive

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01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:01,580
two major cataclysms the destruction of

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the first world by fire and the

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destruction of the of the second world

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by ice the first world destruction might

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be something like volcanism or

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or an asteroid strike or some you know

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major kind of a fire event that happened

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in very ancient times and the the and

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people help the hopi go into caverns

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into subterranean caves and survive the

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second world was destroyed by ice some

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kind of major Ice Age or a very very

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cold period in Earth's history and the

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people went down into the caverns and

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the and people led them down into these

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caverns and they help them they help

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them sprout beans beans are one of the

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traditional dietary mainstays or

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hydroponic farms under the earth

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something like that yeah yeah Jean

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that's exactly right you know these in

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these caverns you can't grow anything

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you have to sprout these beans in this

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01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:17,550
these beans are sprouted to this day in

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the Kiva's in the underground prayer

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01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:21,600
chambers and they have what's called a

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bean dance in February to commemorate

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this time when they amp people help the

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Hopi survive in these underground

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caverns what interests me most when we

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01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:33,929
talk about all these legends Gary is not

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just the ubiquity but the similarity I

1468
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:39,780
mean we can find talks about disasters

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floods etc visits by some kind of

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advanced or higher beings they're all so

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01:10:50,959 --> 01:10:47,699
similar it's like they all have this

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01:10:53,419 --> 01:10:50,969
same basic cause or do we have loads of

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higher beings and disasters occurring to

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different races at different times well

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you know I think there's a there's a

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01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:00,239
cultural similarity because the

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influence was the same globally

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01:11:07,820 --> 01:11:05,400
throughout the earth we were being

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01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,830
visited by these creatures and they're

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coming down and interacting with humans

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01:11:18,010 --> 01:11:13,560
one example of this is you know the the

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actual word for an in Hopi is on you and

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01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:21,600
the word for friend and hope he is naki

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so you put the two together the

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naki the ant friends help the Hopi and

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of course this is from a Sumerian

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mythology the Anunnaki the sky gods that

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came down to earth shades of zecharia

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sitchin exactly exactly rest his soul no

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okay so the and people come here in

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ancient times and we're all talking

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about these insectoid and that takes us

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01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:49,930
back to the concept of some of the greys

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:11:54,600
being a little insect like in their

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01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:03,750
cryptozoological creatures in in myths

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01:12:10,140 --> 01:12:06,480
and the Kachinas reflect this today

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01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:10,150
there are a lot of giant Kachinas in

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hopi hopi dance you know there are a

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number of giant Kachinas and and in my

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new book the keepers of heaven I have a

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chapter about giants and especially

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01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:22,660
living in the area I mentioned before

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Chaco Canyon has kind of a center for

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activity of giants and these are you

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01:12:38,850 --> 01:12:36,700
know fierce and terrifying creatures in

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fact they've they've even found in in

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Chaco Canyon they've found petroglyphs

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rock carvings the of footprints with six

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01:12:52,830 --> 01:12:49,000
toes on them and they found handprints

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with six fingers now in the Bible it

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says that the Giants supposedly had the

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worst six fing had six fingers and six

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01:13:03,090 --> 01:13:01,140
toes and they've even found

1514
01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:03,100
archeologists have found in the in

1515
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:05,590
Pueblo Bonito in Chaco Canyon they found

1516
01:13:12,990 --> 01:13:09,600
a six toed foot bone so this is not just

1517
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imaginary thing that some guy where the

1518
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stone was just a chipping away I thought

1519
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:16,930
well I think I'll make a footprint with

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six toes you know that would be

1521
01:13:24,150 --> 01:13:20,620
interesting it was actually you know

1522
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:24,160
probably depicting this this human Jim

1523
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:30,370
perhaps a giant with six six toes on

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each foot so you know the creature and

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you know

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Chaco Canyon was a place where they have

1527
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the total archaeologists have discovered

1528
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looking through the the bones that

1529
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:45,820
they've unearthed they have the largest

1530
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,120
they were the tallest beings or humans

1531
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in the area not to say that there were

1532
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you know eight-foot Giants or anything

1533
01:13:59,610 --> 01:13:56,020
but they were taller than the rest of

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the population you know the average

1535
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height of a male in about 1100 AD or ten

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hundred ad was about five feet and they

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found you know skeletons are a good foot

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taller than that so basically speaking

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I'm 62

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if I went ancient world and I visited

1541
01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:20,200
these people on the time-traveller yeah

1542
01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:24,190
you play center I play center but you

1543
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:27,790
know I'm a modestly tall guy they would

1544
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consider me a giant they would yeah and

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you know that you would probably be

1546
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:37,000
revered and you know this some of the

1547
01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:40,330
most elite burial sites are found with

1548
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these large skeletons and then the wrong

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place here maybe I should get that time

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machine and go back to the ancient world

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and you know I could live it up of

1552
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:50,890
course I might only live to forty five

1553
01:15:00,000 --> 01:14:55,300
years old or something like that but in

1554
01:15:03,090 --> 01:15:00,010
fact the life expectancy was more like

1555
01:15:05,310 --> 01:15:03,100
thirty years old right you know and if

1556
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you were if you lived a 50 you'd be and

1557
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you know just really ancient at that

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time period II so you know even I feel

1559
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old would listen to that but you know

1560
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the nutrition was was different back

1561
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:20,800
then they had a hard time just eating

1562
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corn beans and squash to get the the

1563
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nutritional value the the iron that they

1564
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needed in the blood in fact there was a

1565
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:31,630
there's a lot of iron deficiency anemia

1566
01:15:41,970 --> 01:15:36,400
found in archaeological sites and in the

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southwest it's it's said for for the

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area around Chaco Canyon it was about 80

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percent of the people

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had this iron deficiency in the Ray

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changed was the name I'm here because at

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio we have Gary David

1682
01:20:21,219 --> 01:20:19,459
joining us this week I'm gene Steinberg

1683
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if you're in the power cast Chris

1684
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,329
O'Brien is our co-host and we are

1685
01:20:27,819 --> 01:20:25,760
exploring lots and lots of really

1686
01:20:31,390 --> 01:20:27,829
interesting stuff because we're talking

1687
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:31,400
about legends of sky people about their

1688
01:20:36,609 --> 01:20:33,530
presence and you were talking about this

1689
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:36,619
mountain let's continue yeah I was gonna

1690
01:20:41,020 --> 01:20:39,530
drop a bombshell here it certainly we

1691
01:20:44,739 --> 01:20:41,030
need one because afterwards

1692
01:20:46,810 --> 01:20:44,749
that's a letdown about having arsenic

1693
01:20:49,179 --> 01:20:46,820
aliens as to have phosphorous aliens and

1694
01:20:51,310 --> 01:20:49,189
that was about you know well you know

1695
01:20:54,219 --> 01:20:51,320
this this was a controversy that came

1696
01:20:56,589 --> 01:20:54,229
about about a decade ago when you know

1697
01:20:57,489 --> 01:20:56,599
this this one archaeologist named

1698
01:20:59,649 --> 01:20:57,499
Christie Turner

1699
01:21:02,560 --> 01:20:59,659
came up with all this forensic evidence

1700
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:02,570
of archaeological sites in the in the

1701
01:21:09,459 --> 01:21:04,550
southwest that showed evidence of

1702
01:21:11,799 --> 01:21:09,469
cannibalism and you know he had pretty

1703
01:21:14,020 --> 01:21:11,809
strong evidence that you know bones were

1704
01:21:16,509 --> 01:21:14,030
chopped up and sawed you know human

1705
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:16,519
bones were chopped up and sawed and like

1706
01:21:21,790 --> 01:21:19,249
they were being prepared for food they

1707
01:21:24,850 --> 01:21:21,800
even found in a place called cowboy wash

1708
01:21:27,549 --> 01:21:24,860
which is in southwestern Colorado they

1709
01:21:31,929 --> 01:21:27,559
found what's called a coprolite or a

1710
01:21:35,770 --> 01:21:31,939
fossilized human feces with human

1711
01:21:38,649 --> 01:21:35,780
myoglobin a unit which is a protein

1712
01:21:42,609 --> 01:21:38,659
that's only found in human muscle or

1713
01:21:47,649 --> 01:21:42,619
heart so the person who deposited this

1714
01:21:50,199 --> 01:21:47,659
feces at this site definitely ate a

1715
01:21:53,819 --> 01:21:50,209
human being so there's you know some

1716
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:53,829
evidence that cannibalism did occur and

1717
01:22:01,149 --> 01:21:57,920
perhaps that's why these people at Chaco

1718
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:01,159
Canyon had you know we're taller than

1719
01:22:06,729 --> 01:22:03,170
the rest because they had a better

1720
01:22:10,060 --> 01:22:06,739
protein source it was a human protein

1721
01:22:12,250 --> 01:22:10,070
that they were hitting so and this you

1722
01:22:13,810 --> 01:22:12,260
know of course this enraged a lot of the

1723
01:22:16,810 --> 01:22:13,820
a lot of the Pueblo people the Hopi

1724
01:22:19,629 --> 01:22:16,820
people saying you know we we weren't

1725
01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:19,639
cannibals in the in the ancient past and

1726
01:22:23,410 --> 01:22:21,980
you know I think I think that's right

1727
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:23,420
that's not part of the Hopi tradition

1728
01:22:28,959 --> 01:22:26,449
but it's it's my understanding and I

1729
01:22:32,649 --> 01:22:28,969
think Christy Turner of put forth the

1730
01:22:34,839 --> 01:22:32,659
idea that a group from Mexico migrated

1731
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:34,849
north and kind of terrorized the

1732
01:22:41,290 --> 01:22:37,550
Southwest during this period during you

1733
01:22:43,450 --> 01:22:41,300
know the the 11th century and they they

1734
01:22:47,919 --> 01:22:43,460
took over Chaco Canyon and it was kind

1735
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:47,929
of a they gathered tributes of goods and

1736
01:23:00,600 --> 01:22:51,679
food and if you didn't comply with their

1737
01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:00,610
wishes they have all these you know hopi

1738
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:03,230
Kachinas where what's your art look

1739
01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:05,090
really fierce you know i saw one of

1740
01:23:10,540 --> 01:23:07,670
these Kachinas in a in a dance up on the

1741
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:10,550
on the reservation and this this really

1742
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:14,239
really tall being with these huge huge

1743
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,050
mouths and these this goggle eyes real

1744
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:20,480
bug-eyed kind of creature with his wild

1745
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:24,320
hair and these these huge teeths and and

1746
01:23:28,779 --> 01:23:26,480
he was carrying around like a footlong

1747
01:23:31,299 --> 01:23:28,789
butcher knife you know i mean this guy

1748
01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:31,309
is not anyone you want to mess with so

1749
01:23:37,870 --> 01:23:34,369
they have these decent they called giant

1750
01:23:40,450 --> 01:23:37,880
casinos that that are still depicted at

1751
01:23:43,359 --> 01:23:40,460
these dances and so you know they form

1752
01:23:45,129 --> 01:23:43,369
part of the Hopi legend and supposedly

1753
01:23:47,109 --> 01:23:45,139
that they they used to carry off

1754
01:23:49,689 --> 01:23:47,119
children if they didn't do the parents

1755
01:23:52,029 --> 01:23:49,699
bidding they carried off these children

1756
01:23:56,819 --> 01:23:52,039
and ate them so you have this we're kind

1757
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:56,829
of really side to the to the legends of

1758
01:24:01,330 --> 01:23:59,360
if you got an invitation to come over

1759
01:24:05,410 --> 01:24:01,340
for dinner you never were quite sure if

1760
01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:05,420
you were the main course or not to make

1761
01:24:10,899 --> 01:24:07,969
sure that you gave enough gave enough

1762
01:24:15,339 --> 01:24:10,909
corn to to the rulers to the elite

1763
01:24:16,959 --> 01:24:15,349
rulers in Chaco Canyon so is that

1764
01:24:20,109 --> 01:24:16,969
something like you tell your kids listen

1765
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:20,119
if you don't obey mommy and daddy we're

1766
01:24:24,279 --> 01:24:22,250
gonna send the creatures out to eat you

1767
01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:24,289
or do you think there's some basis for

1768
01:24:27,470 --> 01:24:25,739
some of us

1769
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:27,480
well you know the Grimm's fairytales are

1770
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:30,120
pretty grisly too you know you have

1771
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:32,489
these giants and witches eating children

1772
01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:34,800
so no I think that's part of it they're

1773
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:38,520
just to keep the children in line but

1774
01:24:44,630 --> 01:24:41,670
you know it's a trusted way to of job

1775
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:44,640
child rearing but kind of kind of out of

1776
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:46,170
step through the way we look at child

1777
01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:50,400
rearing today you know there there were

1778
01:24:55,580 --> 01:24:53,219
these traditions of giants and you know

1779
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:55,590
they've found you know David Childress

1780
01:25:00,110 --> 01:24:58,020
has written about the Lovelock cave in

1781
01:25:02,540 --> 01:25:00,120
Nevada where they found these red-haired

1782
01:25:06,170 --> 01:25:02,550
Giants that are like seven eight feet

1783
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:06,180
tall in this cave and supposedly the the

1784
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:09,810
Paiute Indians they fought with the this

1785
01:25:13,610 --> 01:25:12,210
giant race so you know this these might

1786
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:13,620
have been actual creatures that were

1787
01:25:19,630 --> 01:25:16,410
roaming in the southwest in in ancient

1788
01:25:23,060 --> 01:25:19,640
times Wow there are quite a quite a few

1789
01:25:25,580 --> 01:25:23,070
stories about Giants and in the end the

1790
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,590
historical sort of legends and myths of

1791
01:25:29,959 --> 01:25:27,840
the southwestern peoples but one of the

1792
01:25:32,750 --> 01:25:29,969
things that I've always found quite

1793
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:32,760
intriguing myself is that a lot of these

1794
01:25:36,050 --> 01:25:34,230
stories you know and some of some of our

1795
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:36,060
doubters on the para Casa go oh well

1796
01:25:41,209 --> 01:25:38,100
this is just a bunch of you know it's an

1797
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:41,219
oral tradition stuff gets twisted and

1798
01:25:45,530 --> 01:25:43,110
bent out of shape over time and this

1799
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:45,540
stories change and one thing that I want

1800
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:47,910
to remind our listeners is when these

1801
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:50,310
medicine societies that are responsible

1802
01:25:55,700 --> 01:25:52,920
for passing along this sacred knowledge

1803
01:25:58,490 --> 01:25:55,710
when they pass it along it is note by

1804
01:26:00,560 --> 01:25:58,500
note word by word and there is no

1805
01:26:02,810 --> 01:26:00,570
variation in it there they are taught to

1806
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:02,820
memorize these stories and these songs

1807
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:04,770
and chants it was syllable by syllable

1808
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,320
word by word so you know I just don't

1809
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:09,120
worry about this because I remember and

1810
01:26:13,130 --> 01:26:11,040
this is silly for people like you have

1811
01:26:16,130 --> 01:26:13,140
been exposed to this but you know hear

1812
01:26:17,660 --> 01:26:16,140
me out okay I remember the test that the

1813
01:26:19,459 --> 01:26:17,670
late Steve Allen used to do on his TV

1814
01:26:23,180 --> 01:26:19,469
show where they tell a joke to ten

1815
01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:23,190
people number one here's the joke he or

1816
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:24,900
she repeats it to the next person

1817
01:26:30,650 --> 01:26:27,600
after goes through ten generations of

1818
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:30,660
oral presentation of a very simple joke

1819
01:26:35,810 --> 01:26:33,330
the final version has no resemblance

1820
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:35,820
whatever to the original so how do you

1821
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,930
keep these intact

1822
01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:38,400
can you really train people

1823
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:40,830
to follow syllable by syllable for

1824
01:26:45,470 --> 01:26:43,440
10,000 years what Jean I think I think

1825
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:45,480
it's cultural like a Christmas saying

1826
01:26:49,550 --> 01:26:48,000
that you know these people this is part

1827
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:49,560
of their culture to be in the oral

1828
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:52,440
culture you know in in the written world

1829
01:26:58,760 --> 01:26:56,040
this is you know hard too hard to have

1830
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:58,770
this story stay the same we're used to

1831
01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:00,780
writing things down for it to be the

1832
01:27:05,870 --> 01:27:03,960
same and you know with 24/7 cable you

1833
01:27:07,729 --> 01:27:05,880
can listen to three cable networks and

1834
01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:07,739
be totally confused because they have

1835
01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:10,020
all different versions of what really

1836
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:12,270
happened oh yeah yeah but if you write

1837
01:27:17,620 --> 01:27:13,920
something down in a book you know you

1838
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:17,630
have you know it's kind of set in stone

1839
01:27:22,130 --> 01:27:20,010
you know they're ancient people the hope

1840
01:27:25,010 --> 01:27:22,140
is the zuni's they didn't have this sort

1841
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,020
of but they didn't have books so they

1842
01:27:29,209 --> 01:27:27,120
had to keep these stories you know it

1843
01:27:31,399 --> 01:27:29,219
was a very precise way of you know

1844
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:31,409
passing along the stories passing along

1845
01:27:37,130 --> 01:27:34,770
the ceremonies in just the right way you

1846
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:37,140
know if you if you fail to do a ceremony

1847
01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:40,260
in the proper manner that means that it

1848
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:43,320
won't rain that means the corn won't

1849
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:46,530
grow that means that you starve you know

1850
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:49,080
so I understand that but our human is

1851
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:52,770
capable of that linear accuracy well you

1852
01:27:59,450 --> 01:27:55,650
know you think back to Homer the the

1853
01:28:02,899 --> 01:27:59,460
blind poet who is an oral and oral poet

1854
01:28:05,689 --> 01:28:02,909
you know poets learned that poem the

1855
01:28:08,030 --> 01:28:05,699
Odyssey and the Iliad and they could

1856
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,040
recite you know one you know thousands

1857
01:28:12,380 --> 01:28:10,320
hundreds and hundreds of lines one after

1858
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:12,390
another this tradition the oral

1859
01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:15,360
tradition this was you know very strong

1860
01:28:21,290 --> 01:28:18,900
back then and we've kind of lost the how

1861
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,300
to do this our memories are not that

1862
01:28:25,250 --> 01:28:23,520
great they used to be much better we

1863
01:28:29,810 --> 01:28:25,260
used to be much better at remembering

1864
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:29,820
long passages of poetry or literature

1865
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:31,770
but you know and this was the same the

1866
01:28:37,130 --> 01:28:34,170
stories that that the ancient people

1867
01:28:39,260 --> 01:28:37,140
told the Hopi tell these stories and of

1868
01:28:41,149 --> 01:28:39,270
course they're going to be variations

1869
01:28:44,050 --> 01:28:41,159
one village will tell the story in a

1870
01:28:46,130 --> 01:28:44,060
different way because the Hopi are not

1871
01:28:49,070 --> 01:28:46,140
monolithic they have they're a

1872
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collection of of clans that have come

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together

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at this one place and they called

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themselves collectively the Hopi but

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they all have slightly different

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versions I think each clan tries to be

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very precise in in remembering a story

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the sir a certain way and remembering a

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ceremony in a certain manner so they can

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perform the ceremony and it will be

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efficacious and we'll do what it's

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supposed to do well get into the

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ceremonies the meanings but more

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important the star people and what the

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prophesies mean what all this means to

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us in the present day in the 21st

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century whether there's an impact to our

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real lives here we'll have to explore

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this further

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Garry David is the guest the book is out

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now your latest one it's called the

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Kiva's of heaven okay

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ancient hopi star lore okay and we'll

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also talk about a TV show you're gonna

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be on next year Chris O'Brien's the

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us Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean

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fascinating lines of questioning Chris

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01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:44,610
let's take this further go ahead well

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one of the things that I remember

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01:34:52,820 --> 01:34:48,510
distinctly last year when I went up to

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01:34:54,410 --> 01:34:52,830
the shallow ko ceremonies which last the

2007
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better part of a week in December upon

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01:34:59,630 --> 01:34:56,160
there's any reservation one of the

2009
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questions that I asked Clifford was how

2010
01:35:05,450 --> 01:35:01,850
they were able to maintain such

2011
01:35:08,689 --> 01:35:05,460
incredible precision and accuracy in the

2012
01:35:12,140 --> 01:35:08,699
handing down of the traditionals chants

2013
01:35:13,490 --> 01:35:12,150
of prayers and in stories and he said

2014
01:35:15,670 --> 01:35:13,500
that one of the ways they do it is they

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01:35:18,410 --> 01:35:15,680
skip a generation it's the it's the

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01:35:20,450 --> 01:35:18,420
grandfather's generation that that tells

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it to the grandchildren and then the

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father's generation tells it to his

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01:35:26,750 --> 01:35:24,060
grandchildren and so they leapfrog

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through the generations down into time

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01:35:31,130 --> 01:35:29,250
and this is one of the ways that they're

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01:35:33,650 --> 01:35:31,140
able to maintain this incredible

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01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:33,660
precision and accuracy in these stories

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01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:35,760
now of course there are different

2025
01:35:39,470 --> 01:35:37,530
medicine societies or different Kachina

2026
01:35:42,430 --> 01:35:39,480
societies or different clan societies

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01:35:44,900 --> 01:35:42,440
and as gary pointed out we do have some

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variants I think from tradition to

2029
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:46,739
tradition but I think by and large

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01:35:51,290 --> 01:35:48,690
you're dealing with a with a culture

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01:35:53,090 --> 01:35:51,300
that's very invested in accuracy you

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01:35:55,310 --> 01:35:53,100
mentioned Jean before the break that we

2033
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:55,320
were going to talk about some star

2034
01:36:01,400 --> 01:35:58,320
people legends and stuff Gary one of the

2035
01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:01,410
stories is has always intrigued me kind

2036
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:03,060
of going back to your your comment about

2037
01:36:08,209 --> 01:36:06,449
the 70s wave in Prescott was the

2038
01:36:09,649 --> 01:36:08,219
involvement of the Hopi elder Dan

2039
01:36:11,330 --> 01:36:09,659
Catawba do you want

2040
01:36:12,739 --> 01:36:11,340
talk about him a little bit and then

2041
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:12,749
maybe dovetail into some of the

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01:36:17,899 --> 01:36:16,050
prophecies yeah he's the one that one of

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01:36:19,909 --> 01:36:17,909
the ones one of the elders hope the

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01:36:23,089 --> 01:36:19,919
elders that have brought the prophesies

2045
01:36:25,370 --> 01:36:23,099
forward some of the endtime prophecies

2046
01:36:28,759 --> 01:36:25,380
you might say they hope the endtime

2047
01:36:30,259 --> 01:36:28,769
prophecies but you know like I say he's

2048
01:36:35,149 --> 01:36:30,269
one of the ones that went to Prescott

2049
01:36:37,790 --> 01:36:35,159
Arizona in 1970 and he witnessed some of

2050
01:36:40,729 --> 01:36:37,800
these craft hovering around some Butte

2051
01:36:44,949 --> 01:36:40,739
and there's there's kind of an internet

2052
01:36:47,779 --> 01:36:44,959
rumor about you know he died in 1972 but

2053
01:36:50,509 --> 01:36:47,789
supposedly he on his body was never

2054
01:36:53,870 --> 01:36:50,519
found he was last seen walking up a

2055
01:36:56,359 --> 01:36:53,880
canyon where a UFO had been sighted so

2056
01:36:59,479 --> 01:36:56,369
maybe this is just kind of internet

2057
01:37:03,080 --> 01:36:59,489
stuff you know you it's hard to stay but

2058
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,090
you know that's that's the rumor you

2059
01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:05,280
know about him but you know these these

2060
01:37:11,060 --> 01:37:08,369
prophecies have been coming for since

2061
01:37:14,359 --> 01:37:11,070
like the the middle of the 20th century

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01:37:15,770 --> 01:37:14,369
we've been aware the world at large I

2063
01:37:20,060 --> 01:37:15,780
should say has been aware of these

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01:37:23,299 --> 01:37:20,070
prophecies coming coming to pass in in

2065
01:37:25,370 --> 01:37:23,309
1958 there was a man in you know David

2066
01:37:27,319 --> 01:37:25,380
Young he was a minister and he was

2067
01:37:32,029 --> 01:37:27,329
driving around the American Southwest

2068
01:37:34,580 --> 01:37:32,039
and he picked up a an old Hopi man named

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01:37:36,979 --> 01:37:34,590
white feather and white feather was from

2070
01:37:40,609 --> 01:37:36,989
the bear clan and he said that you know

2071
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:40,619
all his sons were dead and that they the

2072
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:42,780
hope the Hopi ceremonial cycle was kind

2073
01:37:48,500 --> 01:37:45,840
of dying off becoming extinct and he

2074
01:37:54,500 --> 01:37:48,510
wanted to pass on these major prophecies

2075
01:37:56,959 --> 01:37:54,510
that he had foreseen while praying in in

2076
01:38:00,589 --> 01:37:56,969
chanting in the Kiva's these these

2077
01:38:03,250 --> 01:38:00,599
visions of the way the fourth world

2078
01:38:06,739 --> 01:38:03,260
would end and some of the signs or omens

2079
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:06,749
that would signal the end of this era

2080
01:38:14,989 --> 01:38:11,610
the end of end of an age he said things

2081
01:38:16,669 --> 01:38:14,999
like there'd be huge beasts come they

2082
01:38:18,220 --> 01:38:16,679
were sort of like the Buffalo except

2083
01:38:20,979 --> 01:38:18,230
they had very long horn

2084
01:38:23,020 --> 01:38:20,989
that's one of the signs that the the end

2085
01:38:24,670 --> 01:38:23,030
of the age was near in course that that

2086
01:38:27,250 --> 01:38:24,680
happened in the 19th century in the

2087
01:38:30,250 --> 01:38:27,260
American West when the coming of

2088
01:38:32,979 --> 01:38:30,260
longhorn cattle he said that there'd be

2089
01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:32,989
spinning wheels with voices in them that

2090
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:35,590
might be interpreted as covered wagons

2091
01:38:41,140 --> 01:38:37,760
without you know the spinning and

2092
01:38:44,650 --> 01:38:41,150
spinning wheels that you can see that

2093
01:38:47,770 --> 01:38:44,660
that kind of that visual disturbance

2094
01:38:48,729 --> 01:38:47,780
that looks kind of like the wheel is

2095
01:38:56,250 --> 01:38:48,739
going backwards

2096
01:38:59,710 --> 01:38:56,260
another snakes of all trucks one of the

2097
01:39:03,070 --> 01:38:59,720
one of the prophecies of the native end

2098
01:39:05,950 --> 01:39:03,080
times is that W ribbons

2099
01:39:09,490 --> 01:39:05,960
black ribbon spread across the land and

2100
01:39:14,170 --> 01:39:09,500
there'll be horseless carriages going

2101
01:39:16,870 --> 01:39:14,180
across these black ribbons so that's a

2102
01:39:18,850 --> 01:39:16,880
pretty pretty striking example of you

2103
01:39:20,650 --> 01:39:18,860
know asphalt on asphalt Highway

2104
01:39:24,780 --> 01:39:20,660
you know white feather said that there'd

2105
01:39:29,220 --> 01:39:24,790
be a spiderweb strung across the land a

2106
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:29,230
giant spiderweb will be spread across

2107
01:39:35,890 --> 01:39:33,440
across the landscape of course you might

2108
01:39:38,910 --> 01:39:35,900
think of you know a first telegraph

2109
01:39:42,010 --> 01:39:38,920
lines and then maybe power lines or or

2110
01:39:44,170 --> 01:39:42,020
telephone lines and now of course the

2111
01:39:47,410 --> 01:39:44,180
world wide web is a giant web that

2112
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:47,420
spread all over the world he also said

2113
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:51,050
that young people with long hair will

2114
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:52,880
come to Hopi land to learn the native

2115
01:40:00,100 --> 01:39:57,050
ways and this happened especially in the

2116
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:00,110
late 60s early 70s when a lot of phone

2117
01:40:04,770 --> 01:40:02,330
this is you know the counterculture

2118
01:40:07,330 --> 01:40:04,780
people came out to Hopi land and

2119
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:07,340
sometimes they were at odds with hope T

2120
01:40:12,490 --> 01:40:10,400
values and culture because they lived a

2121
01:40:15,330 --> 01:40:12,500
rather libertine lifestyle and the Hopi

2122
01:40:19,870 --> 01:40:15,340
are a very conservative people and

2123
01:40:23,050 --> 01:40:19,880
sometimes they didn't mesh with it with

2124
01:40:26,380 --> 01:40:23,060
the Hopi ways but at any rate these

2125
01:40:28,540 --> 01:40:26,390
these young people were were you know

2126
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:28,550
trying to learn the native ways and this

2127
01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:29,310
this is

2128
01:40:35,930 --> 01:40:32,460
the past one of the signs was the sea

2129
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:35,940
will turn black and of course this past

2130
01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:39,840
summer in 2010 we had the huge Gulf oil

2131
01:40:45,290 --> 01:40:42,600
spill and the sea turned black and the

2132
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:45,300
sea and B turned black so this these

2133
01:40:50,060 --> 01:40:47,370
signs are all you know coming to pass

2134
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:50,070
that we're at the end at the end of the

2135
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:52,890
fourth world okay so all these legends

2136
01:40:58,880 --> 01:40:55,650
of the end times it's not just amongst

2137
01:41:01,640 --> 01:40:58,890
the Indian people but all across the

2138
01:41:02,210 --> 01:41:01,650
world other religions the same thing end

2139
01:41:05,810 --> 01:41:02,220
times

2140
01:41:09,860 --> 01:41:05,820
so are we again seeing this unified

2141
01:41:11,390 --> 01:41:09,870
message from the same source well I

2142
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:11,400
think you know different cultures

2143
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:14,130
interpret it differently you know there

2144
01:41:20,540 --> 01:41:17,850
are biblical end times and from what I

2145
01:41:22,940 --> 01:41:20,550
understand of Hopi and times Hopi

2146
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:22,950
prophecies they're they're very similar

2147
01:41:30,440 --> 01:41:27,510
all these these earth changes tsunamis

2148
01:41:32,660 --> 01:41:30,450
earthquakes you know these are we're all

2149
01:41:34,430 --> 01:41:32,670
predicted to be to come at the end times

2150
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:34,440
and we're seeing this in a lot of

2151
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:37,170
different cultures the Mayan culture of

2152
01:41:43,490 --> 01:41:40,260
course has the specific date of December

2153
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:43,500
21st 2012 that's that's the end time the

2154
01:41:49,580 --> 01:41:47,520
Hopi are not that precise in saying when

2155
01:41:51,710 --> 01:41:49,590
the end time will come a somewhat

2156
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:51,720
believe that we're already entering into

2157
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:55,920
the fifth world who are very close to to

2158
01:42:00,590 --> 01:41:58,320
being in the fifth worlds I have a

2159
01:42:04,180 --> 01:42:00,600
friend that lives up on hope and he said

2160
01:42:09,230 --> 01:42:04,190
that he believes that the Hopi culture

2161
01:42:11,060 --> 01:42:09,240
ceremonial cycle will be extinct at the

2162
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:11,070
end of his lifetime he said he's about

2163
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:13,920
50 years old in his fifties but by the

2164
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:16,080
time you know he his life is ended the

2165
01:42:21,650 --> 01:42:18,810
Hopi culture will kind of cease to

2166
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:21,660
function as a ceremonial this this whole

2167
01:42:27,170 --> 01:42:24,330
mass of Legends and and ceremonies we're

2168
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:27,180
talking about before this will just come

2169
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:30,330
to an end because you know the the

2170
01:42:33,820 --> 01:42:32,370
language is not being passed on the way

2171
01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:33,830
it used to be passed on and the

2172
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:37,260
ceremonies are not being done and it

2173
01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:41,250
seemed like the whole a ceremonial cycle

2174
01:42:47,660 --> 01:42:45,300
is coming as breaking down and the hope

2175
01:42:50,570 --> 01:42:47,670
the hope they will see themselves as

2176
01:42:53,060 --> 01:42:50,580
guardians of the earth they keep the

2177
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:53,070
world in balance and in fact they have a

2178
01:42:56,570 --> 01:42:54,090
world a word

2179
01:42:58,460 --> 01:42:56,580
Kalyani Scott C which means world out of

2180
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:58,470
balance that's the the contemporary

2181
01:43:06,590 --> 01:43:01,520
world that we're living in right now and

2182
01:43:09,610 --> 01:43:06,600
their ceremonies were done in part to to

2183
01:43:11,630 --> 01:43:09,620
keep the world in balance keep the earth

2184
01:43:14,440 --> 01:43:11,640
functioning and turning the way it's

2185
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:14,450
supposed to keep the weather you know

2186
01:43:20,210 --> 01:43:17,730
keep the the warmth coming to the land

2187
01:43:22,370 --> 01:43:20,220
so they could grow corn and so forth and

2188
01:43:25,250 --> 01:43:22,380
this is all just kind of breaking down

2189
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:25,260
you having the you know early winters

2190
01:43:29,630 --> 01:43:27,930
and and the droughts and so forth and

2191
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:29,640
it's it's getting harder and harder to

2192
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,210
uh to be a hopi up there and then live

2193
01:43:40,970 --> 01:43:35,760
in the traditional manner so Dan the

2194
01:43:45,260 --> 01:43:40,980
Hopi predict global warming predict you

2195
01:43:48,290 --> 01:43:45,270
know kind of the earth changes like

2196
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:48,300
tsunamis and so forth earthquakes

2197
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,600
earthquakes especially the next the next

2198
01:43:55,340 --> 01:43:53,520
cleansing according to grandfather

2199
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:55,350
Martin of the Hopi is going to be the

2200
01:44:00,620 --> 01:43:57,570
earth shaking or flipping over four

2201
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:00,630
times when the warrior twins abdicate

2202
01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:03,450
responsibility for holding Pulu Liu Kang

2203
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:05,190
which is the the great serpent in the

2204
01:44:10,610 --> 01:44:07,290
earth that keeps the earth and balance

2205
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,620
in terms of I guess its orbit when they

2206
01:44:14,270 --> 01:44:12,960
let go then blew Liu Kang will spasm and

2207
01:44:17,180 --> 01:44:14,280
the earth will flip over four times

2208
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:17,190
according to Martin I will have to flip

2209
01:44:21,470 --> 01:44:19,890
over if we don't do this right away or

2210
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:21,480
flip out depending on your point of view

2211
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:24,330
as I was gonna say Chris O'Brien's the

2212
01:44:30,020 --> 01:44:26,490
co-host carry David's the guest I'm gene

2213
01:44:39,420 --> 01:44:30,030
Steinberg you're in the para cast

2214
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2215
01:44:44,170 --> 01:44:42,110
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2228
01:45:11,950 --> 01:45:10,310
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2229
01:45:13,959 --> 01:45:11,960
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2230
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:13,969
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

2231
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won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

2232
01:45:19,959 --> 01:45:18,290
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2233
01:45:21,700 --> 01:45:19,969
industry won't recognize the value of

2234
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01:45:25,540 --> 01:45:23,660
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2240
01:46:02,180 --> 01:46:00,119
garish David joins us some the para cast

2241
01:46:04,399 --> 01:46:02,190
this week I'm Jean Steinberg Chris

2242
01:46:07,310 --> 01:46:04,409
O'Brien who is the real expert of our

2243
01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:07,320
dynamic duo on all these legends you

2244
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:09,480
know one of the things that this TV show

2245
01:46:15,950 --> 01:46:12,210
is going to explore ancient prophecies

2246
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:15,960
is Nostradamus now are you in -

2247
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,920
Nostradamus - just on a peripheral way

2248
01:46:25,100 --> 01:46:21,600
you know I'm not heavily into

2249
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:25,110
Nostradamus but you know I'm I'm more

2250
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:28,110
into the native prophecies and and then

2251
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:31,050
but you know I think it it goes along

2252
01:46:38,660 --> 01:46:35,610
with what what the elders have been

2253
01:46:40,879 --> 01:46:38,670
saying or we found out since like the

2254
01:46:43,820 --> 01:46:40,889
mid 20th century when they started to

2255
01:46:45,950 --> 01:46:43,830
come forth and talk about these

2256
01:46:49,689 --> 01:46:45,960
prophecies because they they realize

2257
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:49,699
that this this is the end of an age and

2258
01:46:55,609 --> 01:46:52,650
it's time to enter into it kind of a new

2259
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:55,619
world and it's this fifth world there

2260
01:46:59,209 --> 01:46:57,570
there are some good things about it you

2261
01:47:01,760 --> 01:46:59,219
know I mean it should be a world of

2262
01:47:04,220 --> 01:47:01,770
peace and harmony and and respect from

2263
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:04,230
other earth respect for the ways of the

2264
01:47:09,950 --> 01:47:07,290
Creator but there's gonna be a time of

2265
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:09,960
purification you know why don't you talk

2266
01:47:15,709 --> 01:47:12,090
about that in the return of true white

2267
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:15,719
brother you know the the one of the

2268
01:47:20,990 --> 01:47:18,690
signs one of the endtime signs that the

2269
01:47:25,459 --> 01:47:21,000
Hopi have seen is that a Blue Star

2270
01:47:27,709 --> 01:47:25,469
Kachina called Sokka so who will appear

2271
01:47:29,870 --> 01:47:27,719
in the heavens a blue star will appear

2272
01:47:32,410 --> 01:47:29,880
in the heavens and the particular

2273
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:32,420
Kachina related to this blue star

2274
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:36,210
supposedly will take off his mask during

2275
01:47:41,780 --> 01:47:39,330
a ceremony which is simply not done and

2276
01:47:44,359 --> 01:47:41,790
you know it's it's rumored that this has

2277
01:47:46,399 --> 01:47:44,369
already happened it's it's it's hard to

2278
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:46,409
say and it's hard to say what do you

2279
01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:51,330
know what the blue star is you know

2280
01:47:57,649 --> 01:47:53,940
there's some speculation that it was

2281
01:48:00,620 --> 01:47:57,659
tail Bob comment back in 1997 it had

2282
01:48:04,830 --> 01:48:00,630
this beautiful blue tail on it

2283
01:48:07,379 --> 01:48:04,840
common homes in October of 2007

2284
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:07,389
has been speculated as being the blue

2285
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:09,130
star you know it's it's hard to say what

2286
01:48:18,229 --> 01:48:12,880
it is but they say that after the blue

2287
01:48:22,350 --> 01:48:18,239
star our eyes a red star will also come

2288
01:48:24,839 --> 01:48:22,360
and it's a paha so who is the red star

2289
01:48:28,109 --> 01:48:24,849
and this is a this is a purifier this

2290
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:28,119
will purify those that are not living in

2291
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,170
in the ways of the Creator so I think

2292
01:48:37,229 --> 01:48:34,719
humankind will be undergoing a great

2293
01:48:40,740 --> 01:48:37,239
purification period and we might be in

2294
01:48:43,169 --> 01:48:40,750
this already you know the earth we're

2295
01:48:45,570 --> 01:48:43,179
seeing huge forest fires in Israel just

2296
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:45,580
in the past week we're seeing all these

2297
01:48:51,209 --> 01:48:48,610
earthquakes and tsunamis and so forth

2298
01:48:53,220 --> 01:48:51,219
you know the earth is being purified and

2299
01:48:56,850 --> 01:48:53,230
the human human the race is being

2300
01:48:59,820 --> 01:48:56,860
purified in order to enter into this

2301
01:49:00,359 --> 01:48:59,830
this fifth world well what about you I

2302
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,369
brother

2303
01:49:05,339 --> 01:49:02,639
what do you know about the return of the

2304
01:49:08,419 --> 01:49:05,349
the bringing together of the the Hopi

2305
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:08,429
sacred tablets you know the the the

2306
01:49:15,229 --> 01:49:12,090
piranha the the elder white brother or

2307
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:15,239
you know the true white brother you say

2308
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:20,110
he's kind of like a Quetzalcoatl figure

2309
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:23,920
he was there at the at the beginning of

2310
01:49:31,169 --> 01:49:28,330
the age and um he took a part of the a

2311
01:49:33,180 --> 01:49:31,179
stone tablet it's a fire clan tablet and

2312
01:49:36,839 --> 01:49:33,190
took an edge of this tablet and broke it

2313
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:36,849
off and carried with it with him back to

2314
01:49:43,859 --> 01:49:40,239
the east so in a lot of ways he's like

2315
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:43,869
the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl who said he

2316
01:49:50,189 --> 01:49:46,000
would return during the the end of the

2317
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:50,199
age also like the Mayan god Kukulkan the

2318
01:49:55,740 --> 01:49:52,960
same same sort of figure as when Mara

2319
01:49:57,930 --> 01:49:55,750
kocha very culture exactly they have

2320
01:50:01,560 --> 01:49:57,940
this a lot of these native cultures have

2321
01:50:04,169 --> 01:50:01,570
the same myth of this God coming

2322
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:04,179
interacting with them and then going

2323
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:07,210
back to the east but saying that he will

2324
01:50:13,070 --> 01:50:09,210
return at the end times

2325
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:13,080
to to purify you know purify the people

2326
01:50:20,930 --> 01:50:15,600
and you know he'll he'll come this he

2327
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:20,940
said to come with a red coat or red red

2328
01:50:28,700 --> 01:50:25,850
hat something something red is involved

2329
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:28,710
with his coming and this this might be

2330
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:31,410
you know part of the the red star that's

2331
01:50:37,550 --> 01:50:35,610
going to purify purify the people yeah

2332
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:37,560
either that or Palin gets in she'll

2333
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:40,080
probably do do a good job purifying our

2334
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:42,330
sensibilities well that's a whole other

2335
01:50:46,010 --> 01:50:44,610
manner you know the 2012

2336
01:50:58,430 --> 01:50:46,020
maybe that's the end of the Mayan

2337
01:51:02,090 --> 01:50:58,440
calendar which is 112 why did I ask you

2338
01:51:04,729 --> 01:51:02,100
this Gary the 2012 Mayan legends any

2339
01:51:07,490 --> 01:51:04,739
connection with all this stuff well the

2340
01:51:09,190 --> 01:51:07,500
hopi had a trade network established

2341
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:09,200
with the Maya

2342
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:12,930
in fact the Maya used to come up here

2343
01:51:19,310 --> 01:51:16,800
and bring parrots and macaws on the

2344
01:51:22,700 --> 01:51:19,320
birds bright bright feathered Birds and

2345
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:22,710
they used to trade for especially

2346
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:24,239
turquoise because there are a lot of

2347
01:51:30,830 --> 01:51:26,730
turquoise around them around the Chaco

2348
01:51:34,370 --> 01:51:30,840
Canyon area that were distributed there

2349
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:34,380
and so there was a trade network with

2350
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:36,570
the Maya so I'm sure that the Hopi were

2351
01:51:44,540 --> 01:51:41,489
were in touch with some the Mayan way of

2352
01:51:49,220 --> 01:51:44,550
thinking about the end time the end of

2353
01:51:54,020 --> 01:51:49,230
the end of the age so you know they they

2354
01:51:56,450 --> 01:51:54,030
undoubtedly had this had the similar of

2355
01:51:59,150 --> 01:51:56,460
belief that that the word of the forest

2356
01:52:02,540 --> 01:51:59,160
world was was going to point to soon

2357
01:52:07,220 --> 01:52:02,550
soon and and you know the Maya say have

2358
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:07,230
an exact date there's in my book in the

2359
01:52:13,459 --> 01:52:09,690
last chapter in my book I talk about the

2360
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:13,469
only the only inscription that contains

2361
01:52:17,670 --> 01:52:16,800
the date of the 13th baktun which is the

2362
01:52:20,730 --> 01:52:17,680
end of the law

2363
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:20,740
Count calendar of the Maya and this is

2364
01:52:27,930 --> 01:52:25,210
at a place called torta Duero it means

2365
01:52:29,790 --> 01:52:27,940
land of the Turtles and on this

2366
01:52:34,140 --> 01:52:29,800
inscription it says on this date

2367
01:52:38,210 --> 01:52:34,150
December 21st 2012 nine Lords of the

2368
01:52:42,210 --> 01:52:38,220
underworld will descend in darkness and

2369
01:52:45,090 --> 01:52:42,220
in this will come to pass and then the

2370
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:45,100
passage breaks off unfortunately so we

2371
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:46,930
don't have you know what's gonna happen

2372
01:52:52,530 --> 01:52:49,650
but these nine Lords of the underworld

2373
01:52:56,850 --> 01:52:52,540
will descend in darkness that's kind of

2374
01:52:59,850 --> 01:52:56,860
an ominous and I'm in his forecast so

2375
01:53:05,970 --> 01:52:59,860
this is just a few weeks after the 2012

2376
01:53:08,660 --> 01:53:05,980
presidential elections that's pretty

2377
01:53:15,770 --> 01:53:08,670
ominous in itself

2378
01:53:18,750 --> 01:53:15,780
we came up he's one of the the few true

2379
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,760
Mayan timekeepers from the highlands of

2380
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:20,560
Guatemala one of the few that will

2381
01:53:27,390 --> 01:53:24,850
travel and he got in front of this big

2382
01:53:29,820 --> 01:53:27,400
audience at the creativeLIVE Center here

2383
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:29,830
in Sedona of all these New Agers and and

2384
01:53:33,330 --> 01:53:31,570
he literally was laughing at everybody

2385
01:53:34,650 --> 01:53:33,340
saying oh you white boys think you got

2386
01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:34,660
it all figured out and that she know

2387
01:53:39,480 --> 01:53:36,910
what Maya prophecy is and and all this

2388
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:39,490
he goes it's not gonna be an exact date

2389
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:41,530
we could happen tomorrow it could happen

2390
01:53:45,900 --> 01:53:43,360
you know in three years four years we're

2391
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:45,910
in that time period but he gave a very

2392
01:53:50,010 --> 01:53:47,050
cryptic warning

2393
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:50,020
he said if one day you wake up and the

2394
01:53:54,540 --> 01:53:52,690
Sun does not rise he said close your

2395
01:53:57,570 --> 01:53:54,550
windows lock your doors and no matter

2396
01:54:00,210 --> 01:53:57,580
who comes to your door window do not let

2397
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:00,220
them in and he said that the there will

2398
01:54:06,110 --> 01:54:03,130
be 48 hours of darkness so there's a

2399
01:54:09,390 --> 01:54:06,120
little clue for y'all out there y'all

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that's pretty there's another clue for

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y'all The Walrus was Paul all right so I

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01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:17,800
think you know the people who look for

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physical realities and physical evidence

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so how do we mail this stuff down we

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have prophecies we have the Bible we

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have Nostradamus we have the Hopi the

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Zuni and all these legends how the heck

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Nayla town well you have the hammer you

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have to go intuitively I think Jean you

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just whatever you're you know the

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expertise is or your interest is you

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know mountain-lion it it's specifically

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you know the Hopi of the American

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Southwest but you know if you want to

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find followed the biblical traditions or

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Hasidic traditions or you know

2417
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:56,960
Nostradamus or some of the other

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prophets through the ages that's you

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know you gotta follow it because there's

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no there's no set map that you can

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follow to get us through this this time

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we're in the final few segments of our

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02:00:24,030 --> 02:00:22,180
session with Gary David and he's someone

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02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:24,040
who became intrigued by the American

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02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:25,810
Southwest since going there twenty three

2544
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:28,090
years ago and he's looking for evidence

2545
02:00:32,910 --> 02:00:31,090
of all sorts of unusual things Chris

2546
02:00:35,340 --> 02:00:32,920
O'Brien's our co-host on the podcast

2547
02:00:37,890 --> 02:00:35,350
I understand Gary what you're saying in

2548
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:37,900
terms of following our own path but if

2549
02:00:43,950 --> 02:00:41,410
all of these legends came from single

2550
02:00:46,110 --> 02:00:43,960
sources there has to be one path that

2551
02:00:47,970 --> 02:00:46,120
diverged but they still take us to the

2552
02:00:50,820 --> 02:00:47,980
same destination well I'm not sure

2553
02:00:53,730 --> 02:00:50,830
whether it's you know multiple sources

2554
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:53,740
coming through the ages or waves of

2555
02:00:58,530 --> 02:00:55,690
different entities coming down to earth

2556
02:01:01,080 --> 02:00:58,540
at different times giving different

2557
02:01:03,180 --> 02:01:01,090
information to different cultures like I

2558
02:01:06,210 --> 02:01:03,190
said I don't think there's a one source

2559
02:01:07,860 --> 02:01:06,220
that disseminates everything there might

2560
02:01:09,630 --> 02:01:07,870
be another you know a number of

2561
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:09,640
different entities coming through you

2562
02:01:15,090 --> 02:01:11,730
know the and people are different from

2563
02:01:18,030 --> 02:01:15,100
the grace you know different entities

2564
02:01:19,020 --> 02:01:18,040
are coming in and giving us certain

2565
02:01:21,690 --> 02:01:19,030
information

2566
02:01:25,290 --> 02:01:21,700
so you just kind of have to you know

2567
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:25,300
work intuitively and use your nose to

2568
02:01:30,240 --> 02:01:28,330
kind of sniff out what what which way

2569
02:01:32,580 --> 02:01:30,250
the wind is blowing really you know it's

2570
02:01:36,450 --> 02:01:32,590
a tough time to be timid to be alive

2571
02:01:39,870 --> 02:01:36,460
because there are no set path ways that

2572
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:39,880
you can take to get to the truth with a

2573
02:01:45,330 --> 02:01:42,250
capital T there are a lot of a lot of

2574
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:45,340
truths out there plural but you have to

2575
02:01:50,939 --> 02:01:48,010
put put it together in your own

2576
02:01:53,610 --> 02:01:50,949
within your own weight world you and in

2577
02:01:56,459 --> 02:01:53,620
your own way of looking at the the

2578
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:56,469
cosmos and honor it and honor it you've

2579
02:02:00,630 --> 02:01:58,090
got to follow your bliss as Joseph

2580
02:02:02,130 --> 02:02:00,640
Campbell said well let's look at what

2581
02:02:04,590 --> 02:02:02,140
the physical scientists have been a call

2582
02:02:06,030 --> 02:02:04,600
for here though which is okay if et was

2583
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:06,040
here we go out those of how its

2584
02:02:10,110 --> 02:02:08,050
interpreted okay let's talk about the

2585
02:02:12,479 --> 02:02:10,120
core reality how do we come back to that

2586
02:02:15,209 --> 02:02:12,489
core reality in terms of archaeologists

2587
02:02:17,490 --> 02:02:15,219
looking for physical evidence traces of

2588
02:02:20,010 --> 02:02:17,500
some kind of visitation maybe the

2589
02:02:22,919 --> 02:02:20,020
presence of such creatures today how do

2590
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:22,929
we pinpoint that is it possible or are

2591
02:02:28,470 --> 02:02:26,110
we left with just legends prophecies and

2592
02:02:30,660 --> 02:02:28,480
the need to find our own direction well

2593
02:02:32,910 --> 02:02:30,670
you have legends and prophecies but you

2594
02:02:35,370 --> 02:02:32,920
do have this this physical record of

2595
02:02:39,320 --> 02:02:35,380
rock art which I'm very interested in

2596
02:02:42,570 --> 02:02:39,330
these are carvings and paintings on

2597
02:02:45,150 --> 02:02:42,580
cliff walls you see some of these beings

2598
02:02:48,330 --> 02:02:45,160
on these cliff walls you know I've seen

2599
02:02:49,770 --> 02:02:48,340
some just here in northern Arizona there

2600
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:49,780
are very strange creatures and you

2601
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:52,570
wonder these are not just a fancies or

2602
02:02:57,900 --> 02:02:55,360
imagination of these people that they

2603
02:03:00,570 --> 02:02:57,910
wanted to kind of depict a weird

2604
02:03:03,209 --> 02:03:00,580
creature for no reason at all I think

2605
02:03:04,590 --> 02:03:03,219
that these were actual you know entities

2606
02:03:07,140 --> 02:03:04,600
it might be physical might be

2607
02:03:09,479 --> 02:03:07,150
interdimensional that they encountered

2608
02:03:11,459 --> 02:03:09,489
in these early times and they wanted to

2609
02:03:15,450 --> 02:03:11,469
put this in stone to carve it in stone

2610
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:15,460
so they could tell their their ancestors

2611
02:03:20,459 --> 02:03:18,130
about what they were seeing so it's not

2612
02:03:24,479 --> 02:03:20,469
not merely legends password' the mouth

2613
02:03:27,060 --> 02:03:24,489
but we have a large record of rock arts

2614
02:03:28,979 --> 02:03:27,070
petroglyphs pictographs that tell the

2615
02:03:30,689 --> 02:03:28,989
story as well yeah and we're getting

2616
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:30,699
more and more proficient at reading them

2617
02:03:35,610 --> 02:03:32,770
too we have Ron Rivera on the program

2618
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:35,620
recently and he's writing a book

2619
02:03:40,260 --> 02:03:37,690
actually that's a kind of a primer on

2620
02:03:43,020 --> 02:03:40,270
how to look at petroglyphs and what some

2621
02:03:44,910 --> 02:03:43,030
of the figures mean he's done quite a

2622
02:03:48,060 --> 02:03:44,920
bit of research with native peoples and

2623
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:48,070
is something slowly assembling a pretty

2624
02:03:52,050 --> 02:03:49,840
much like a dictionary that explains

2625
02:03:53,970 --> 02:03:52,060
what these figures mean and more

2626
02:03:56,189 --> 02:03:53,980
importantly how they're placed in

2627
02:03:59,550 --> 02:03:56,199
relation to one another which then

2628
02:04:00,460 --> 02:03:59,560
conveys an advanced message or even a

2629
02:04:03,130 --> 02:04:00,470
story

2630
02:04:05,470 --> 02:04:03,140
things that I've always found intriguing

2631
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:05,480
and compelling is that I'm pretty sure

2632
02:04:08,950 --> 02:04:06,890
that native peoples

2633
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:08,960
even though they have told us a lot

2634
02:04:13,060 --> 02:04:11,330
about their prophecies and their sacred

2635
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:13,070
knowledge I think that they're holding

2636
02:04:18,010 --> 02:04:15,920
back quite a bit of information for

2637
02:04:19,570 --> 02:04:18,020
whatever reason probably because if they

2638
02:04:22,180 --> 02:04:19,580
let it out and we found out about it

2639
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:22,190
freaked us out is my guess but I think

2640
02:04:27,450 --> 02:04:25,250
we need a disclosure project like an EXO

2641
02:04:30,610 --> 02:04:27,460
political project to get the natives to

2642
02:04:32,650 --> 02:04:30,620
fully divulge some of the prophecies and

2643
02:04:35,710 --> 02:04:32,660
I think they are hold it's a very

2644
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:35,720
important keys back away from the rest

2645
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:37,370
of the world what is your take on that

2646
02:04:40,990 --> 02:04:39,290
URI that's for sure they're they're

2647
02:04:42,970 --> 02:04:41,000
holding back but they're divulging at

2648
02:04:45,820 --> 02:04:42,980
the same time because there are so many

2649
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:45,830
different factions fighting each other

2650
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:48,080
on a lot of different reservations but

2651
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:49,850
right now at the hope either they're

2652
02:04:54,700 --> 02:04:52,010
talking about changing the constitution

2653
02:04:59,790 --> 02:04:54,710
the Hopi Constitution like the

2654
02:05:05,230 --> 02:05:02,680
right now they're trying to take away

2655
02:05:08,980 --> 02:05:05,240
the rights of individual villages for

2656
02:05:10,810 --> 02:05:08,990
autonomy and to to govern themselves and

2657
02:05:12,310 --> 02:05:10,820
they're trying to to bring it all

2658
02:05:15,790 --> 02:05:12,320
together and have the Tribal Council

2659
02:05:18,460 --> 02:05:15,800
which is part of the Bureau of Indian

2660
02:05:20,740 --> 02:05:18,470
Affairs kind of rule over all the

2661
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:20,750
villages and a lot of the spiritual

2662
02:05:24,850 --> 02:05:23,090
elders that I've come across

2663
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:24,860
they say this is this would be a very

2664
02:05:29,830 --> 02:05:27,170
bad thing that came about that they'd

2665
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:29,840
lose their ability to govern themselves

2666
02:05:33,610 --> 02:05:32,330
as a particular village where do you

2667
02:05:35,890 --> 02:05:33,620
want to go with it Gary like I was

2668
02:05:39,010 --> 02:05:35,900
saying the there are so many different

2669
02:05:42,250 --> 02:05:39,020
divisions among the Hopi themselves some

2670
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:42,260
want to divulge some one disclosure of

2671
02:05:47,470 --> 02:05:44,570
the of the Hopi prophecies and the

2672
02:05:50,140 --> 02:05:47,480
entities that this them run into other

2673
02:05:52,270 --> 02:05:50,150
hobbies that just clam up will will not

2674
02:05:54,220 --> 02:05:52,280
speak you know they're very polite to

2675
02:05:57,070 --> 02:05:54,230
hope you are always very polite people

2676
02:05:59,200 --> 02:05:57,080
but some of them do not want this

2677
02:06:01,270 --> 02:05:59,210
information going out to the world at

2678
02:06:03,670 --> 02:06:01,280
large so there are different different

2679
02:06:05,020 --> 02:06:03,680
ideas among the Hopi themselves so

2680
02:06:06,910 --> 02:06:05,030
basically they want to be the

2681
02:06:09,100 --> 02:06:06,920
beneficiaries of whatever wisdom there

2682
02:06:11,590 --> 02:06:09,110
is and the heck with everybody else well

2683
02:06:12,259 --> 02:06:11,600
they they have been exploited like a lot

2684
02:06:15,259 --> 02:06:12,269
of Native

2685
02:06:17,660 --> 02:06:15,269
contrives for over a century you know

2686
02:06:20,180 --> 02:06:17,670
there was one I forget his name

2687
02:06:21,950 --> 02:06:20,190
one ethnographer in the early part of

2688
02:06:24,830 --> 02:06:21,960
the 20th century that would just burst

2689
02:06:26,810 --> 02:06:24,840
into a into a Kiva unannounced and would

2690
02:06:29,950 --> 02:06:26,820
just you know disrupt everything you

2691
02:06:31,580 --> 02:06:29,960
know they've endured a lot of these

2692
02:06:33,229 --> 02:06:31,590
anthropologists coming to their

2693
02:06:35,689 --> 02:06:33,239
reservation and trying to just study

2694
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:35,699
them like they were just they were the

2695
02:06:41,509 --> 02:06:38,130
the last of the of the char the issue

2696
02:06:44,239 --> 02:06:41,519
the last of the tribe you know up there

2697
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:44,249
yeah going up there and just you know it

2698
02:06:49,209 --> 02:06:46,800
started in the late 60s early 70s you

2699
02:06:51,919 --> 02:06:49,219
just just try and oppose their own

2700
02:06:53,419 --> 02:06:51,929
lifestyle on the Hopi and and they're

2701
02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:53,429
not really trying to learn from them

2702
02:06:58,370 --> 02:06:56,400
hang out and cherry-pick their knowledge

2703
02:07:00,529 --> 02:06:58,380
for their own purposes exactly and you

2704
02:07:04,220 --> 02:07:00,539
see a lot of that among the New Agers

2705
02:07:06,770 --> 02:07:04,230
the it's a smorgasbord of wisdom from

2706
02:07:08,479 --> 02:07:06,780
from various cultures and you know the

2707
02:07:11,239 --> 02:07:08,489
Hopi don't want to be a part of this you

2708
02:07:13,100 --> 02:07:11,249
know they they don't want to just

2709
02:07:15,049 --> 02:07:13,110
divulge their knowledge and have it

2710
02:07:17,419 --> 02:07:15,059
warped I've seen you know I've seen

2711
02:07:19,879 --> 02:07:17,429
various television programs that have

2712
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:19,889
you kind of warped a Hopi way of

2713
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:21,570
thinking and the Hopi knowledge and just

2714
02:07:25,399 --> 02:07:23,610
sensationalized it you know they don't

2715
02:07:28,250 --> 02:07:25,409
want to be a part of this this kind of

2716
02:07:30,350 --> 02:07:28,260
exploitation of their culture and you

2717
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:30,360
know it's understandable well one thing

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that I must say and I do urge all our

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listeners to pick up Gary's books the

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Orion zone well the keepers of heaven

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you also have a very interesting book on

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the Masonic the apparent Masonic

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underpinnings of the of the town or the

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City of Phoenix Arizona which is

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probably a subject of a whole show right

2726
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there I mean gosh that book is a mind

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blower as well but really here that I

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should know about oh boy

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02:07:56,629 --> 02:07:54,599
gene you're right in the middle of it

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and if we told you I don't know I don't

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02:08:01,669 --> 02:07:59,039
know if you could handle it yeah the

2732
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Phoenix is a Masonic City and you know I

2733
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:04,860
found a Masonic worship site right next

2734
02:08:09,140 --> 02:08:07,050
to an ancient Hopi site which is you

2735
02:08:11,479 --> 02:08:09,150
know and near Winslow Arizona believe it

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02:08:13,250 --> 02:08:11,489
or not so the Masonic influence is

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really strong here in Arizona and that's

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in my book I of the Phoenix you can get

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all that all those through Adventures

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from the Hopi Indians himself elder

2847
02:13:11,990 --> 02:13:07,620
O'Brien that's the Irish Indians I think

2848
02:13:13,939 --> 02:13:12,000
it's Deborah cast it is sounds like

2849
02:13:20,390 --> 02:13:13,949
you're doing the talk like a pirate you

2850
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:20,400
know yeah supposedly the the Pirates in

2851
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:21,570
the skull and crossbone and they were

2852
02:13:25,490 --> 02:13:24,090
they were Templars and Masons hey you

2853
02:13:27,200 --> 02:13:25,500
know I'll ask you about that you raise

2854
02:13:29,180 --> 02:13:27,210
the question if anybody has any wisdom

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about that I'm Jean Steinberg you're in

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the power cast Gary so have you explored

2857
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the Masons the Templars all these

2858
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:36,600
strange societies out there well I've

2859
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:38,730
explored it in terms of you know the

2860
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:41,010
American Southwest there was a fellow

2861
02:13:45,380 --> 02:13:43,110
named Daryl dupa he's buried in the

2862
02:13:48,500 --> 02:13:45,390
Masonic section of the Pioneer Cemetery

2863
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:48,510
right in Phoenix Arizona and he's the

2864
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:50,570
one that named Phoenix Phoenix and

2865
02:13:55,580 --> 02:13:53,010
Phoenix as a mythological bird that

2866
02:13:58,010 --> 02:13:55,590
rises Thrones ashes and has a lot of

2867
02:13:59,390 --> 02:13:58,020
Masonic residence with the symbol of the

2868
02:14:01,760 --> 02:13:59,400
of the Phoenix

2869
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:01,770
so you know this is coming into play

2870
02:14:07,729 --> 02:14:05,040
very early the gold waters of course for

2871
02:14:10,850 --> 02:14:07,739
a masons barry goldwater with a Mason

2872
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:10,860
this is very strong in the in the

2873
02:14:15,709 --> 02:14:13,290
Phoenix area in the Prescott area and

2874
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:15,719
like I say there there are Masonic

2875
02:14:22,910 --> 02:14:19,679
symbols carved in the rocks of northern

2876
02:14:24,439 --> 02:14:22,920
Arizona and you can see these oh yeah

2877
02:14:27,709 --> 02:14:24,449
give us some examples that's interesting

2878
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:27,719
I bet you suppose that this one site you

2879
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:31,410
know has a Venus symbol and a kind of a

2880
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:36,570
a lot of Masonic symbols right next to

2881
02:14:43,400 --> 02:14:39,210
the hopi ruins so that's a small hopi

2882
02:14:46,310 --> 02:14:43,410
ruins site near home olivine ruins near

2883
02:14:49,490 --> 02:14:46,320
Winslow Arizona the Masons went out

2884
02:14:52,550 --> 02:14:49,500
there and built their a worship site and

2885
02:14:54,350 --> 02:14:52,560
they erected a huge Christian cross you

2886
02:14:57,050 --> 02:14:54,360
can see it from the interstate if you

2887
02:14:59,300 --> 02:14:57,060
drive along i-40 this huge cross on top

2888
02:15:01,580 --> 02:14:59,310
of a Mesa and you go up there and there

2889
02:15:03,800 --> 02:15:01,590
are these all these columns that they

2890
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:03,810
had erected and this this huge

2891
02:15:10,939 --> 02:15:06,330
amphitheater that they they put up and

2892
02:15:12,500 --> 02:15:10,949
this was done in the 30s the 1930s but

2893
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:12,510
you know it's very strange because it's

2894
02:15:15,189 --> 02:15:12,800
right

2895
02:15:17,439 --> 02:15:15,199
next to this this ancient hopi ruins

2896
02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:17,449
site with a bunch of these these

2897
02:15:21,729 --> 02:15:20,210
petroglyphs these rock art symbols the

2898
02:15:23,350 --> 02:15:21,739
checkerboard symbol there's a

2899
02:15:26,109 --> 02:15:23,360
checkerboard and of course the

2900
02:15:28,780 --> 02:15:26,119
checkerboard is some is found on every

2901
02:15:32,260 --> 02:15:28,790
Masonic Temple in the world you know

2902
02:15:34,479 --> 02:15:32,270
this that's a primary symbol of well the

2903
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:34,489
Hopi say it's the Milky Way but you know

2904
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it's it's light and dark and and the

2905
02:15:39,939 --> 02:15:38,329
struggle between light and light and

2906
02:15:42,040 --> 02:15:39,949
darkness as far as the Masons are

2907
02:15:43,839 --> 02:15:42,050
concerned mm-hmm well gene so what do

2908
02:15:46,359 --> 02:15:43,849
you think of them apples well I don't

2909
02:15:49,089 --> 02:15:46,369
know I just want to kind of get to the

2910
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:49,099
bottom of this and nail it down and the

2911
02:15:52,569 --> 02:15:51,050
other question would be of course with

2912
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all the people who are looking for some

2913
02:15:57,790 --> 02:15:55,489
kind of disclosure about UFOs about some

2914
02:16:00,189 --> 02:15:57,800
kind of endgame realization of what all

2915
02:16:02,500 --> 02:16:00,199
this means where can we take this

2916
02:16:05,979 --> 02:16:02,510
because we're down to the remaining you

2917
02:16:07,540 --> 02:16:05,989
know 1718 minutes of this episode and I

2918
02:16:10,359 --> 02:16:07,550
know our listeners are gonna look for

2919
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:10,369
some kind of endgame so what kind of

2920
02:16:15,069 --> 02:16:13,130
endgame can we acquaint them with 2012

2921
02:16:18,010 --> 02:16:15,079
maybe it's gonna happen maybe it's wrong

2922
02:16:19,359 --> 02:16:18,020
what well you know 2012 is just one day

2923
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:19,369
and I don't think the world is going to

2924
02:16:25,089 --> 02:16:21,650
end on that day you know some people

2925
02:16:28,089 --> 02:16:25,099
think that we're in a 2012 era you know

2926
02:16:31,180 --> 02:16:28,099
we've entered into the era and it lasts

2927
02:16:34,690 --> 02:16:31,190
about 30 years when the winter solstice

2928
02:16:35,830 --> 02:16:34,700
Sun aligns to the Galactic access or

2929
02:16:37,570 --> 02:16:35,840
galactic center

2930
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:37,580
on this is the first time it's happened

2931
02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:41,840
in 26,000 years but it's you know it's a

2932
02:16:48,459 --> 02:16:46,130
period of time 2530 years that were this

2933
02:16:52,059 --> 02:16:48,469
change that will take place you know

2934
02:16:53,980 --> 02:16:52,069
gradually not not we wake up one day in

2935
02:16:56,500 --> 02:16:53,990
the world will be totally changed and

2936
02:16:59,080 --> 02:16:56,510
it's it's an ongoing process and

2937
02:17:00,759 --> 02:16:59,090
throughout our lifetimes and and you

2938
02:17:03,370 --> 02:17:00,769
just have to like I say follow your own

2939
02:17:06,219 --> 02:17:03,380
nose follow your bliss and just try to

2940
02:17:09,309 --> 02:17:06,229
try to find what interests you in in

2941
02:17:12,400 --> 02:17:09,319
various native cultures should that have

2942
02:17:14,889 --> 02:17:12,410
this early wisdom in the Masonic

2943
02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:14,899
tradition you can research that and you

2944
02:17:21,900 --> 02:17:18,290
know you learn about the Phoenix or a

2945
02:17:23,639 --> 02:17:21,910
phoenix rising and so forth so you know

2946
02:17:25,919 --> 02:17:23,649
most importantly you got to do your own

2947
02:17:29,610 --> 02:17:25,929
research you have to get motivated sure

2948
02:17:31,589 --> 02:17:29,620
shows like this can expose you to really

2949
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:31,599
wonderful top provoking topics but you

2950
02:17:34,799 --> 02:17:33,010
know we're only licking the tip of the

2951
02:17:36,839 --> 02:17:34,809
iceberg here listeners and you really

2952
02:17:39,059 --> 02:17:36,849
have to dive in read the books do your

2953
02:17:41,759 --> 02:17:39,069
own work don't pretend like you know

2954
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:41,769
just because you knew lick the iceberg

2955
02:17:46,620 --> 02:17:44,080
it doesn't work that way you really have

2956
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:46,630
to dive in gary is a really I think a

2957
02:17:51,509 --> 02:17:49,120
shining example of a highly motivated

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02:17:53,820 --> 02:17:51,519
individual that does really well

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researched work and there's no

2960
02:17:57,780 --> 02:17:55,779
substitute for that and I really want at

2961
02:17:59,040 --> 02:17:57,790
this point I don't want greater know

2962
02:18:01,320 --> 02:17:59,050
that I really appreciate all the hard

2963
02:18:04,320 --> 02:18:01,330
work that he's done in this archaea

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02:18:06,030 --> 02:18:04,330
lastra na mikhyl subject area and I

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02:18:07,650 --> 02:18:06,040
think it's important for people to

2966
02:18:08,910 --> 02:18:07,660
really get themselves up to speed don't

2967
02:18:11,519 --> 02:18:08,920
you think Jane that's why we have the

2968
02:18:13,259 --> 02:18:11,529
pair cast forums right discuss it to ask

2969
02:18:14,400 --> 02:18:13,269
the questions but also understand you're

2970
02:18:17,969 --> 02:18:14,410
not going to get the physical reality

2971
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:17,979
when you expect it generally not you

2972
02:18:23,540 --> 02:18:20,649
have to follow my own obsessions you

2973
02:18:25,979 --> 02:18:23,550
know like when I discovered you know a

2974
02:18:28,740 --> 02:18:25,989
dozen years ago when I discovered this

2975
02:18:31,950 --> 02:18:28,750
Orion template on the Arizona desert I

2976
02:18:35,160 --> 02:18:31,960
said that's amazing it's just like just

2977
02:18:38,040 --> 02:18:35,170
like in Egypt except except it's even

2978
02:18:43,009 --> 02:18:38,050
more precise in certain ways than the

2979
02:18:49,049 --> 02:18:47,190
know this and you know I just was you

2980
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:49,059
know trying to figure out you know

2981
02:18:53,790 --> 02:18:51,519
what's going on here with this obvious

2982
02:18:56,099 --> 02:18:53,800
you know it can't be you know I don't

2983
02:18:59,099 --> 02:18:56,109
think it can be a coincidence that the

2984
02:19:01,290 --> 02:18:59,109
Orion constellation is projected on the

2985
02:19:03,929 --> 02:19:01,300
Arizona desert in the form of all these

2986
02:19:05,790 --> 02:19:03,939
villages that line up where they're

2987
02:19:09,450 --> 02:19:05,800
supposed to be you can go to my website

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02:19:11,690 --> 02:19:09,460
the Orion zone calm and click on a link

2989
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:11,700
called maps and you can see this

2990
02:19:17,129 --> 02:19:15,040
correlation between Orion and the ruin

2991
02:19:19,559 --> 02:19:17,139
sites and village sites that the Hopi

2992
02:19:22,169 --> 02:19:19,569
have have laid out on the desert on the

2993
02:19:25,080 --> 02:19:22,179
Arizona desert and it's just astounding

2994
02:19:27,990 --> 02:19:25,090
this this this correspondence between

2995
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:28,000
the two between the earth in the sky so

2996
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:29,210
you know I'm just

2997
02:19:34,180 --> 02:19:31,370
have been it obsessed with this kind of

2998
02:19:36,570 --> 02:19:34,190
it's almost a quest to find out you know

2999
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:36,580
how this was done so there you go Jean

3000
02:19:41,350 --> 02:19:39,290
okay well you satisfied everything for

3001
02:19:43,480 --> 02:19:41,360
me now I know what to do but I guess a

3002
02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:43,490
big question is whether I could look in

3003
02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:45,290
the skies and think that et is gonna

3004
02:19:49,900 --> 02:19:48,050
come down there or can I think that with

3005
02:19:52,770 --> 02:19:49,910
all the tens of thousands or possibly

3006
02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:52,780
millions of UFO sightings whether the

3007
02:19:58,270 --> 02:19:56,090
proof is going to be coming is the story

3008
02:20:01,540 --> 02:19:58,280
out there the truth out there are we

3009
02:20:02,770 --> 02:20:01,550
gonna see proof are the ATS gonna be

3010
02:20:05,530 --> 02:20:02,780
back and that's of course part of the

3011
02:20:08,530 --> 02:20:05,540
legend here are we seeing just them

3012
02:20:09,880 --> 02:20:08,540
communicating with the spirit of ET

3013
02:20:11,770 --> 02:20:09,890
maybe then another dimension or

3014
02:20:15,460 --> 02:20:11,780
something that the physical presence is

3015
02:20:17,710 --> 02:20:15,470
no longer here well you know I think the

3016
02:20:19,750 --> 02:20:17,720
the physical present has manifested

3017
02:20:21,850 --> 02:20:19,760
right over the City of Phoenix you know

3018
02:20:24,700 --> 02:20:21,860
the Masonic City of Phoenix with you

3019
02:20:27,060 --> 02:20:24,710
know in 1997 the Phoenix lights and you

3020
02:20:29,830 --> 02:20:27,070
know our former governor Fife Symington

3021
02:20:32,890 --> 02:20:29,840
swears that this is an extraterrestrial

3022
02:20:36,790 --> 02:20:32,900
craft that you know he saw personally

3023
02:20:43,570 --> 02:20:36,800
saw and in fact I just missed you know

3024
02:20:45,460 --> 02:20:43,580
I'm probably the most unlucky UFO was

3025
02:20:48,820 --> 02:20:45,470
living here and the Phoenix lights

3026
02:20:51,880 --> 02:20:48,830
occurred and I was at home in my office

3027
02:20:54,370 --> 02:20:51,890
writing a book about technology nothing

3028
02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:54,380
to do with UFOs so I didn't see it

3029
02:20:57,130 --> 02:20:55,850
either I missed the whole thing and you

3030
02:20:58,570 --> 02:20:57,140
know this is something by the way I

3031
02:21:01,450 --> 02:20:58,580
mentioned with Leslie Kane about

3032
02:21:03,610 --> 02:21:01,460
governor Fife Symington is yeah and you

3033
02:21:05,830 --> 02:21:03,620
know first he makes a joke of it then he

3034
02:21:09,010 --> 02:21:05,840
says it's real but you know the guy was

3035
02:21:12,310 --> 02:21:09,020
basically thrown out of office for legal

3036
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:12,320
reasons you know and had to be pardoned

3037
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:14,810
by former President Clinton so you know

3038
02:21:19,150 --> 02:21:17,210
the guy is not really white well you

3039
02:21:20,770 --> 02:21:19,160
know thousands of people did see the the

3040
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:20,780
Phoenix lights you know I missed seeing

3041
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:22,970
it by a couple minutes I was out in the

3042
02:21:27,730 --> 02:21:24,650
yard playing with my daughter and her

3043
02:21:29,380 --> 02:21:27,740
playmate and we went inside and and they

3044
02:21:33,130 --> 02:21:29,390
were playing chess and we I didn't have

3045
02:21:35,230 --> 02:21:33,140
any radio on or anything and it flew

3046
02:21:37,170 --> 02:21:35,240
right over the town Chino Valley where I

3047
02:21:39,150 --> 02:21:37,180
live and then

3048
02:21:41,550 --> 02:21:39,160
flew down the press cape and then very

3049
02:21:44,250 --> 02:21:41,560
quickly flew down to Phoenix yeah and it

3050
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:44,260
flew right over it went right down i-10

3051
02:21:49,380 --> 02:21:47,290
I was in a motel watching the NCAA

3052
02:21:51,420 --> 02:21:49,390
finals that night I had just been out

3053
02:22:01,800 --> 02:21:51,430
looking at Hale Bopp I went inside in it

3054
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:01,810
evidently flew right over the motel over

3055
02:22:07,139 --> 02:22:05,290
Indian School Road and 7-7 or something

3056
02:22:08,729 --> 02:22:07,149
like that right hovered there for quite

3057
02:22:11,400 --> 02:22:08,739
a while on thing you know thousands of

3058
02:22:13,650 --> 02:22:11,410
people saw it and hundreds videotaped it

3059
02:22:15,479 --> 02:22:13,660
but you know I missed it and you know

3060
02:22:17,219 --> 02:22:15,489
some of my neighbors saw it and they

3061
02:22:20,460 --> 02:22:17,229
said they were very scared because it

3062
02:22:23,219 --> 02:22:20,470
was so big that the craft was so huge

3063
02:22:25,889 --> 02:22:23,229
going across the sky you know I'll tell

3064
02:22:28,290 --> 02:22:25,899
you what we'll go into the craft and all

3065
02:22:30,719 --> 02:22:28,300
the other stuff in a moment Gary David's

3066
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our guest Chris O'Brien the co-host I'm

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[Music]

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you've entered another dimension you've

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entered the merriest

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[Music]

3168
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and by the way some of you have asked

3169
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about what happened in Nicholas Redfern

3170
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one of our co-hosts well he's been

3171
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involved in a big project not involved

3172
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anyway with UFOs or the paranormal field

3173
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but he also has a new book on NASA

3174
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conspiracies so he'll join us real soon

3175
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now we're gonna be wrapping it up soon

3176
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with Gary David looking into ancient

3177
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mysteries and how they might impact us

3178
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in the present day I'm Jean Steinberg

3179
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Chris O'Brien's the co-host during the

3180
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power cast let's look at this further

3181
02:27:47,929 --> 02:27:45,810
okay so we have the Phoenix lights just

3182
02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:47,939
another UFO case though or do you think

3183
02:27:53,929 --> 02:27:50,850
it signified anything more it might have

3184
02:27:55,490 --> 02:27:53,939
come from area 51 you never know it came

3185
02:27:57,920 --> 02:27:55,500
from that direction it was first sighted

3186
02:28:00,260 --> 02:27:57,930
in Henderson Nevada and then it was an

3187
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excited in in Paulding Arizona five

3188
02:28:04,580 --> 02:28:01,920
miles north of me and then Chino Valley

3189
02:28:07,599 --> 02:28:04,590
and then Prescott a pilot at the

3190
02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:07,609
Prescott Airport said he saw this craft

3191
02:28:12,230 --> 02:28:10,530
he was in a small Cessna or something

3192
02:28:14,510 --> 02:28:12,240
like that and it and it took up the

3193
02:28:17,030 --> 02:28:14,520
whole windshield of his of his airplane

3194
02:28:19,400 --> 02:28:17,040
you know in in size you know that's how

3195
02:28:21,950 --> 02:28:19,410
big it was and then finally zipped down

3196
02:28:24,050 --> 02:28:21,960
to to Phoenix in a matter of minutes

3197
02:28:25,969 --> 02:28:24,060
where it you know it takes so it takes

3198
02:28:28,040 --> 02:28:25,979
you know on at least an over an hour to

3199
02:28:29,960 --> 02:28:28,050
get down to Phoenix from takes two hours

3200
02:28:32,330 --> 02:28:29,970
to get down to Phoenix from where I'm at

3201
02:28:34,820 --> 02:28:32,340
it went there in just a matter of

3202
02:28:36,530 --> 02:28:34,830
minutes down to Phoenix so it's hard to

3203
02:28:37,490 --> 02:28:36,540
say whether it's one of ours one of ours

3204
02:28:40,760 --> 02:28:37,500
you know

3205
02:28:43,370 --> 02:28:40,770
black ops projects from area 51 or

3206
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:43,380
whether it's extraterrestrial I don't

3207
02:28:50,840 --> 02:28:46,170
know it's one of ours I know why the

3208
02:28:55,130 --> 02:28:50,850
Cold War is over so you don't think it

3209
02:28:58,370 --> 02:28:55,140
had any real major let's say important

3210
02:29:00,110 --> 02:28:58,380
sort of prophetic importance or anything

3211
02:29:02,330 --> 02:29:00,120
like that it would just happen to be a

3212
02:29:03,410 --> 02:29:02,340
big old ship having to trot out over the

3213
02:29:06,500 --> 02:29:03,420
fifth largest city in the country

3214
02:29:08,450 --> 02:29:06,510
thousands of people saw it and and then

3215
02:29:10,460 --> 02:29:08,460
it just disappeared down by Tucson

3216
02:29:13,219 --> 02:29:10,470
somewhere you know well you know the

3217
02:29:14,750 --> 02:29:13,229
hope you say this is part of the the end

3218
02:29:17,179 --> 02:29:14,760
of the fourth world where these these

3219
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:17,189
craft will start tearing in the heavens

3220
02:29:20,770 --> 02:29:20,160
at a greater pace so we've seen these

3221
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:20,780
all the time

3222
02:29:25,870 --> 02:29:23,840
I'm certain people are I'm not but I'm

3223
02:29:29,020 --> 02:29:25,880
kind of unlucky that way and you know

3224
02:29:31,810 --> 02:29:29,030
it's it's part of the Hopi prophecy to

3225
02:29:34,150 --> 02:29:31,820
see these things you know what my

3226
02:29:35,830 --> 02:29:34,160
screenplay has an ending of the of a

3227
02:29:37,690 --> 02:29:35,840
Native American elder on an Indian

3228
02:29:39,640 --> 02:29:37,700
motorcycle riding up a ramp into a

3229
02:29:46,810 --> 02:29:39,650
flying saucer and it takes off that's my

3230
02:29:51,341 --> 02:29:46,820
big ending this is a spoiler you got to

3231
02:29:54,430 --> 02:29:51,351
change the ending now Indian motorcycle

3232
02:29:55,780 --> 02:29:54,440
that's that's good yeah it's uh it's

3233
02:29:57,131 --> 02:29:55,790
actually pretty funny that's what I've

3234
02:30:00,220 --> 02:29:57,141
been working on today so it's kind of

3235
02:30:02,140 --> 02:30:00,230
stuck in the back side of my my frontal

3236
02:30:03,761 --> 02:30:02,150
lobe here alright let's look at some of

3237
02:30:05,620 --> 02:30:03,771
the things you've been doing and work on

3238
02:30:08,530 --> 02:30:05,630
them all these legends you've talked

3239
02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:08,540
about you've talked to the Indian elders

3240
02:30:13,841 --> 02:30:11,210
and everybody else Gary what kind of

3241
02:30:15,341 --> 02:30:13,851
actual work have you done in trying to

3242
02:30:18,490 --> 02:30:15,351
nail it down yourself and doing your

3243
02:30:20,261 --> 02:30:18,500
research well you know I've meant that's

3244
02:30:23,171 --> 02:30:20,271
been a lot of time up on the reservation

3245
02:30:25,570 --> 02:30:23,181
of going to Kachina dances and talking

3246
02:30:28,600 --> 02:30:25,580
to various people talking to a

3247
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:28,610
grandfather Martin who's was from

3248
02:30:33,700 --> 02:30:31,490
Holtville oh that's the third Mesa he's

3249
02:30:37,091 --> 02:30:33,710
one of the last remaining spiritual

3250
02:30:40,390 --> 02:30:37,101
elders up on the Hopi reservation he's

3251
02:30:42,430 --> 02:30:40,400
in his 80s now and you know he's very

3252
02:30:44,680 --> 02:30:42,440
interested in what's going on in the

3253
02:30:46,900 --> 02:30:44,690
world today as we speak you know he's a

3254
02:30:49,631 --> 02:30:46,910
traditional elder but you know he also

3255
02:30:51,430 --> 02:30:49,641
likes to go see the movie avatar I heard

3256
02:30:55,511 --> 02:30:51,440
somebody took him to the movie avatar

3257
02:30:57,940 --> 02:30:55,521
and he got a big kick out of that but

3258
02:31:00,881 --> 02:30:57,950
you know so he's kind of in both worlds

3259
02:31:02,830 --> 02:31:00,891
you know trying to disclose some of the

3260
02:31:06,820 --> 02:31:02,840
some of the information that he knows

3261
02:31:09,870 --> 02:31:06,830
about and about the you know prophecy

3262
02:31:13,211 --> 02:31:09,880
Rock which is up on the reservation in

3263
02:31:17,261 --> 02:31:13,221
another petroglyph right beside it which

3264
02:31:22,030 --> 02:31:17,271
looks very much like a saucer or a or a

3265
02:31:23,620 --> 02:31:22,040
craft of some kind of flying shield

3266
02:31:26,711 --> 02:31:23,630
there's the Hopi call it you know it

3267
02:31:29,230 --> 02:31:26,721
looks very much like this so you know

3268
02:31:31,011 --> 02:31:29,240
he's trying to divulge this sort of

3269
02:31:33,711 --> 02:31:31,021
thing

3270
02:31:36,171 --> 02:31:33,721
but there again the hope is you know

3271
02:31:37,850 --> 02:31:36,181
some of you talk to they they they clam

3272
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:37,860
up right away and they won't they won't

3273
02:31:43,701 --> 02:31:40,730
say anything about the traditional ways

3274
02:31:46,520 --> 02:31:43,711
so you more or less if you go up to the

3275
02:31:49,131 --> 02:31:46,530
Hopi reservation there it's a very

3276
02:31:51,881 --> 02:31:49,141
welcoming place and there's a motel up

3277
02:31:54,890 --> 02:31:51,891
there you can stay at and there's a

3278
02:31:57,770 --> 02:31:54,900
traditional restaurant on the second

3279
02:31:59,301 --> 02:31:57,780
Mesa you can go and the small Museum so

3280
02:32:01,640 --> 02:31:59,311
I would suggest that people just go up

3281
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:01,650
there and just kind of look around don't

3282
02:32:06,951 --> 02:32:04,080
you just put your camera away because

3283
02:32:12,051 --> 02:32:06,961
yeah they'll take your camera and they

3284
02:32:15,320 --> 02:32:12,061
won't give it back are wary about us oh

3285
02:32:17,751 --> 02:32:15,330
yeah there are some signs and outside of

3286
02:32:21,650 --> 02:32:17,761
villages and saying no white people are

3287
02:32:24,621 --> 02:32:21,660
loud you know you know you've seen that

3288
02:32:28,131 --> 02:32:24,631
the at the Kachina dances you know yeah

3289
02:32:31,070 --> 02:32:28,141
so sacred dances are off-limits to ansan

3290
02:32:32,600 --> 02:32:31,080
on some of the mesas yeah we want to go

3291
02:32:35,031 --> 02:32:32,610
around saying that maybe there are the

3292
02:32:37,371 --> 02:32:35,041
one true people that they're exposed to

3293
02:32:39,591 --> 02:32:37,381
the truth and we don't care about the

3294
02:32:42,650 --> 02:32:39,601
rest of them or maybe because the white

3295
02:32:45,921 --> 02:32:42,660
man abused and basically exploited the

3296
02:32:50,440 --> 02:32:45,931
Indians well I think it's allowed no

3297
02:32:53,541 --> 02:32:50,450
it's been about two years and they're

3298
02:32:55,551 --> 02:32:53,551
barely hanging on up there and it's the

3299
02:32:57,020 --> 02:32:55,561
rough life it's you know it's cold in

3300
02:32:59,661 --> 02:32:57,030
the winter and very hot in the summer

3301
02:33:02,751 --> 02:32:59,671
and it's it's a struggle to survive in

3302
02:33:04,820 --> 02:33:02,761
the in the traditional way and you know

3303
02:33:06,860 --> 02:33:04,830
to have these these white people just

3304
02:33:08,001 --> 02:33:06,870
coming around and pestering them when

3305
02:33:09,860 --> 02:33:08,011
they're trying to get their work done

3306
02:33:11,961 --> 02:33:09,870
they're they're trying to do the

3307
02:33:14,751 --> 02:33:11,971
planting and so forth that's it's always

3308
02:33:16,371 --> 02:33:14,761
a problem and they're just tired of you

3309
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:16,381
know New Agers coming up there and

3310
02:33:21,711 --> 02:33:18,570
trying to exploit the the culture for

3311
02:33:24,070 --> 02:33:21,721
their own gains you know it's like when

3312
02:33:27,801 --> 02:33:24,080
Richard Pryor was asked how come

3313
02:33:29,690 --> 02:33:27,811
african-american men are sometimes seen

3314
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:29,700
holding on to their junk and it goes

3315
02:33:33,770 --> 02:33:31,200
what you mean the white man doesn't take

3316
02:33:35,991 --> 02:33:33,780
everything else and it's it's about the

3317
02:33:38,241 --> 02:33:36,001
same with Native American traditional

3318
02:33:40,281 --> 02:33:38,251
knowledge I think a lot of Native

3319
02:33:42,171 --> 02:33:40,291
Americans I have just had it with people

3320
02:33:43,421 --> 02:33:42,181
coming up and cherry-picking them for it

3321
02:33:46,371 --> 02:33:43,431
for their sacred

3322
02:33:48,411 --> 02:33:46,381
and they're just not they're just not

3323
02:33:50,451 --> 02:33:48,421
there for that and they really want to

3324
02:33:53,211 --> 02:33:50,461
hold on to what little they have that's

3325
02:33:55,430 --> 02:33:53,221
their truly their own and so I don't

3326
02:33:57,890 --> 02:33:55,440
personally foresee any time in the near

3327
02:33:59,331 --> 02:33:57,900
future where the most important of the

3328
02:34:01,400 --> 02:33:59,341
sacred traditional knowledge that I'm

3329
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:01,410
assuming is they're being held secret I

3330
02:34:08,421 --> 02:34:04,650
have not seen this being released until

3331
02:34:11,060 --> 02:34:08,431
it's probably gonna be too late and one

3332
02:34:13,131 --> 02:34:11,070
thing that that is always kind of piqued

3333
02:34:15,291 --> 02:34:13,141
you my curiosity with grandfather

3334
02:34:20,301 --> 02:34:15,301
Martinez he carries around this very

3335
02:34:22,701 --> 02:34:20,311
interesting Aztec stelae on paper and he

3336
02:34:24,440 --> 02:34:22,711
unfolds it and he describes it the Aztec

3337
02:34:27,411 --> 02:34:24,450
knew of the Hopi prophecies and he's

3338
02:34:29,301 --> 02:34:27,421
able to show you in the pictorial

3339
02:34:31,430 --> 02:34:29,311
ization of this thing what the

3340
02:34:34,270 --> 02:34:31,440
prophesies are and at the very end which

3341
02:34:38,060 --> 02:34:34,280
depicts now there's a flying saucer

3342
02:34:40,131 --> 02:34:38,070
hovering above the scene and I just

3343
02:34:41,511 --> 02:34:40,141
couldn't help but notice that and he

3344
02:34:43,761 --> 02:34:41,521
volunteered I didn't ask him he

3345
02:34:45,501 --> 02:34:43,771
volunteered and he says and this is this

3346
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:45,511
is a watcher I said well what do you

3347
02:34:49,730 --> 02:34:47,280
mean he goes you know the craft that you

3348
02:34:51,201 --> 02:34:49,740
see up in the air the the you know I

3349
02:34:53,180 --> 02:34:51,211
said like a flying saucer he goes yeah

3350
02:34:56,091 --> 02:34:53,190
and I said well why are they here he

3351
02:34:57,621 --> 02:34:56,101
says they're just watching and I said so

3352
02:34:59,631 --> 02:34:57,631
they're not gonna come here and save us

3353
02:35:01,070 --> 02:34:59,641
so they're not here to punish us or

3354
02:35:04,791 --> 02:35:01,080
anything like that he goes no they're

3355
02:35:08,720 --> 02:35:04,801
just watching that you use the term

3356
02:35:11,150 --> 02:35:08,730
watcher because you know that the that's

3357
02:35:13,041 --> 02:35:11,160
a Sumerians used to talk about the

3358
02:35:15,081 --> 02:35:13,051
Anunnaki the what the watchers from the

3359
02:35:18,350 --> 02:35:15,091
sky right he said they're just watching

3360
02:35:20,480 --> 02:35:18,360
us basically before we watch anything

3361
02:35:22,970 --> 02:35:20,490
else we are looking at the watch which

3362
02:35:25,581 --> 02:35:22,980
says we're gonna have to leave very soon

3363
02:35:27,770 --> 02:35:25,591
Gary David tell us more about the stuff

3364
02:35:30,100 --> 02:35:27,780
you're working on and maybe some public

3365
02:35:34,011 --> 02:35:30,110
appearances that we can check out well

3366
02:35:34,791 --> 02:35:34,021
I'm going to be on the show decoded on

3367
02:35:38,390 --> 02:35:34,801
the History Channel

3368
02:35:41,360 --> 02:35:38,400
I believe it's January 20th it's a show

3369
02:35:44,451 --> 02:35:41,370
about prophecy about native prophecy as

3370
02:35:47,790 --> 02:35:44,461
well as Nostradamus so you might check

3371
02:35:51,399 --> 02:35:47,800
check your local listings there

3372
02:35:53,950 --> 02:35:51,409
I'm working on some new stuff about

3373
02:35:57,160 --> 02:35:53,960
hopefully about the Grand Canyon and

3374
02:35:59,649 --> 02:35:57,170
some some structures that I'd like to

3375
02:36:04,599 --> 02:35:59,659
investigate further near the Grand

3376
02:36:08,139 --> 02:36:04,609
Canyon so the work is ongoing the you

3377
02:36:10,840 --> 02:36:08,149
know the the question is it's a sea

3378
02:36:12,700 --> 02:36:10,850
turtle it's an obsession of mine that uh

3379
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:12,710
and I'm living here in northern Arizona

3380
02:36:17,380 --> 02:36:14,960
so uh you know I might as well try to

3381
02:36:18,969 --> 02:36:17,390
get to these places well I think I'd

3382
02:36:21,630 --> 02:36:18,979
like to travel up there sometime maybe

3383
02:36:24,040 --> 02:36:21,640
go on a guided tour with you and our

3384
02:36:25,630 --> 02:36:24,050
co-host Chris O'Brien to see what's

3385
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,640
really going on I don't like mountains

3386
02:36:28,780 --> 02:36:27,439
by the way Chris O'Brien where do we

3387
02:36:30,969 --> 02:36:28,790
find more of the stuff that you're

3388
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:30,979
working on and do well have a website

3389
02:36:35,859 --> 02:36:33,770
it's our strange planet calm it is a

3390
02:36:38,019 --> 02:36:35,869
strange planet it's our strange planet

3391
02:36:40,510 --> 02:36:38,029
and you can find out about all my books

3392
02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:40,520
and my entire database is there for my

3393
02:36:44,170 --> 02:36:42,080
years of investigation in the San Luis

3394
02:36:46,030 --> 02:36:44,180
Valley and I want to thank Gary and

3395
02:36:47,979 --> 02:36:46,040
invite everybody to go to the Orion zone

3396
02:36:49,960 --> 02:36:47,989
comm to check out more of his work and

3397
02:36:51,550 --> 02:36:49,970
Gary thank you so much for being on the

3398
02:36:53,500 --> 02:36:51,560
show this is really a cool show man

3399
02:37:03,840 --> 02:36:53,510
Thank You Christian Thank You gene I

3400
02:37:08,920 --> 02:37:06,520
arrogance is calculated presentation of

3401
02:37:11,890 --> 02:37:08,930
making the impossible incorporated tune

3402
02:37:12,980 --> 02:37:11,900
in next week for a new adventure in the

3403
02:37:19,570 --> 02:37:12,990
para cast